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By in Harrogate Week on 26th Jan 2010 9:00

Like many who attended the 2mm 'Short Cut' debate at Harrogate Week, I was disappointed at the lack of debate that actually took place.

Over two hundred greenkeepers were crammed in to the conference suite at the Holiday Inn, all expecting a lively discussion between the assembled panel of speakers and the packed audience.

The panel was made up of some of the UK's leading greenkeepers, agronomists and golf architects, including Greg Evans, whose current greenkeeping practice at Ealing Golf Club (as featured in Pitchcare magazine) of maintaining greens at 2mm, was the catalyst for the debate.

The panel comprised:

Gordon Moir, Director of Greenkeeping, St Andrews Links Trust
Kenny Mackay, Devere Belfry Director Of Golf Courses
Greg Evans, Course Manager Ealing GC
Paul Lowe, Course Manager Bromborough GC
Daniel Lightfoot, Course Manager Bearwood Lakes GC
Stuart Yarwood, Course Manager Lymm GC
Richard Windows, STRI Turfgrass Agronomist -South of Scotland
Euan Grant, Golf Courses & Estates Manager at Turnberry GC
Kenneth Moodie, Principle Architect Creative Golf Design
David Cole, Course Superintendent/Estate Manager Loch Lomond GC

The debate was chaired by David Croxton (Board member of the English Golf Union). The morning got underway with some statistics and slide presentations about green speeds and how they had increased over the years. Each and every panel member then spoke about their own specific maintenance regimes and stated the green speeds they achieve at different times of the year.

All the evidence pointed to the fact that, since green speeds became measurable as a result of the introduction of the stimpmetre back in the late 1970s, green speeds for all speed bands had increased by around one foot, with the average summer speed now being around 9 feet for general play and over 10.5 feet for tournament play.

A couple of members of the panel then asked Greg questions about his current maintenance regime and whether he thought it was sustainable. Not surprisingly, in his opinion, he believed it was.

Then, finally, after this very controlled programme of questions to the panel, members of the audience were given the floor.

This was the moment we had all been waiting for. However, after only five questions, the debate was closed!

For me BIGGA got the format totally wrong. Far too much time was given to the panel (one and half hours) and not enough to the floor. I know for a fact that there were many people in the audience who wanted answers to some searching questions.

I spoke to many who attended, and they all felt that the 'debate' had been stage managed to ensure it did not get out of control.

And that's a shame. There were so many waiting to have their say and get out into the open their feelings about all the issues and pressures of being a greenkeeper, especially during the current economic climate.

If the floor had been allowed more time I'm sure we would have had a passionate debate on our hands.

It was a great opportunity missed. The debate may have been centred around the 'short cut' issue, however, given a more equal balance between the panel and the floor, I am sure we would have had a fascinating insight into the current state of the greenkeeping industry.

Personally, I hope we can have more opportunities in the future to give greenkeepers a platform on which to be heard.

My thanks to Paul Woodhall for organising the debate. I look forward to attending the next one.

You can see some of the comments about the 'non-debate' on the following links :-

BIGGA Open forum - (BIGGA members only)

KM gc Kevin Munt website

Read more articles in Harrogate Week, by Laurence Gale MSc or from January 2010.



There are 3 comments on this article

26 Jan 2010 by SOS

Hi Kevin

Nice article,

I was one of those who attended this debate and I agree there was not enough healthy discussion on this subject. However, many drew their own conclusions from listening to the panel, including the stimp reading should be increased by a foot from where they were in the seventies.

Some subjects were touched on others not, but the reality from what I took in was this ethos would only work for the minority not for the majority from what Greg is achieving at Ealing. Flat greens and slopes were featured alot and only being down the road from Ealing I know that our greens would be unplayable if we cut at 2mm regardless of grass composition and species.

Conclusion I took from it was although Ealing and the clients are obviously happy with what has been acheived I reckon that although many clubs would like truer faster greens most courses would be unplayable for the majority of the membership at many clubs.

As Greg mentioned time and time again this practise is not for eveyone and is very site specific.

Good luck on your venture Greg but myself and the membership are happy with 4mm and the greens running at 9 on the stimp, with one cm of organic and a good mix of bent and poa.

AFTER ALL 2MM IS JUST A FIGURE? THE TRUE FIGURE IS THE READING ON THE STIMP IS IT NOT REGARDLESS OF HEIGHT OF CUT!!!

26 Jan 2010 by SOS

Sorry Laurence,

Apologies for naming the wrong author on the above article.

Time to see the opticians I think.

DM_COVER_200X_THUMBNAIL.jpg 26 Jan 2010 by Torch

I personally couldn't care less whether people cut at 1,2, 5 or 57 mm. If it works for you fine, just get on with it and stop parading your theories around like you invented the wheel.

There seems to be more than a whiff of people touting for business under the banner of education and communication.

The answer is None more black.

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