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slysi
Posted 14 Feb 2007 Last edited: 14 Feb 2007
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In the Mirror today

CHELSEA will rip up their Stamford Bridge pitch this weekend - and demand it is relaid for free.

The champions are furious at the condition of the new £130,000 surface that was only put down in mid-December.

And now the club have demanded that York-based Inturf replace the pitch without charge after Saturday's FA Cup fifth round tie with Norwich or Blackpool.

Jose Mourinho described the playing surface as the club's "new enemy" after the FA Cup win over Nottingham Forest.

Three days later, Ashley Cole slipped with no Blackburn opponent near him and suffered the ankle injury that will keep him out for two months.

And, while the Blues cannot make a direct link between Cole's injury and the playing surface, the shocking condition of the pitch during last weekend's win over Middlesbrough confirmed the need for immediate action.

A club source said: "The pitch has died and we're not very impressed."

It is the third year running that Chelsea have had pitch problems. But the pitch suppliers pointed a finger at the Blues for demanding a new pitch be installed at the worst possible time of the year and suggested the failure of the surface to take was inevitable.

Inturf's managing director Stephen Edwards said: "The first game on the new pitch was against Reading on Boxing Day, when there was torrential rain.

"The devastation that would have on a new pitch is incredible. There were a few pitches around that time having problems.

"Also, those two weeks at the end of December are the worst in the year for turf to take root, so you are always going to have problems."



Why do clubs keep accepting second best from contractors and turf suppliers?

£130,000-they're having a laugh!
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Anonymous
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Whilst I have criticised contractors for returfs in the past, look at the facts in this case:

A manager who trains the day before every league and cup game without fail

He also trains, along with the away team, prior to european games

It is not a great time to turf in December, but what Inturf should remember is that they make their money turfing at times of the year that arent great-how else would they make the business a success.

As for the pitches worst enemy that has to go to the manager, I would be very surprised if any club with such a tight stadium has that much training on it over the course of a season.
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chrismitchell
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Green is not necessarily beautiful.

Dumb question I'm sure, but all the premiership clubs have training facilities, so why on earth do they use their main ground for training purposes? At the end of the day it is only a large rectangle of turf irespective of where it is. Or does it mean our little £100,000 per week prima donners can only train properly in an empty stadium? Bless.


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Barry Pace
Posted 15 Feb 2007
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'Where the future is being made today'

here we go again... the same old ''it must be the turf contractor/supplier fault'' I am, surprised that anyone still wants to do these relays anymore it is such a lottery........
Look a the facts............ignore any specific names.....
The Stadium Environment .... low light levels, especially this time of year, limited air movement, not the best place in the world to try and grow grass in december, january, february. oooo yes this is what the poor groundsman has to try and do isnt it...............
Look at the wear levels especially at certain pitches where they undertake extra training...... not only are they struggling to grow grass it takes additional wear in the establishment period while it is trying to root down kicking grass out.
The logistics/timing......... look at Birmingham, they had a bloomin tight schedule ....x days.... that was the only time when they pitch could be pulled up.... and it rained like mad:
Like the others the pitch had to be:
Koro'd off,
Rootzone cultivated and prepared including adding Rootzone, drainage whatever required etc
Nearly 2 acres..... ok 1.7-1.8 acres maybe of thick cut turf is harvested, loaded onto artics, carted in on forklifts, laid as quick as possible, WATERED IN AND ROLLED to death... you have to treat thick cut a certain way, especially if it Fibreturf to get it to sit..... and in some cases you might have 2 days spare....................
If it rains at any time within this tight schedule you have to work with it, you cant stop and wait a few days to dry out....... there arent any and the turf is on its way.............
Now the poor Groundsman has to get the pitch together and up for the match............ we are talking of hundreds of tons of grass and soil that has been moved from a nice open field somewhere from the north or east to this sheltered dull lifeless environment...........its grass for gods sake, a living growing plant that has had, until now an easy life and like ALL of your surfaces.... if put under undue stress it falls over..........
If it is very cold at any time in the early stages or if it is very wet there are going to be problems..... look at what has happened to the turf........the consultants and big boys know that when you returf stadium pitches its a vicious circle, you going to have to keep doing it once you start.... all that compaction during the works, building up of layers, destructuring of rootzones imported soils etc ..... its inevitable....
Do i get surprised when they kick up about relaid pitches surfaces..nargh.... I try and found out what the conditions were like....and I feel for the Groundsman who will be doing the best with his team he can....... and I feel for the Grower, Consultant and Pitch Contractor who put up with the 'stick' and grief and invariably take any relay work or end of season work on the chin......
You never get to hear about the pitches that go well, there were several last seaon while pompey got stick.......

Its all just a big lottery with the weather they get at the time.................
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chrismitchell
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Green is not necessarily beautiful.

Easy Barry, or you will end up clutching your chest and falling to the ground!! Could not agree with you more though. The contractors, growers and groundsmen are on a hiding to nothing.

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Barry Pace
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'Where the future is being made today'

hi chris hehe, it just annoys me sooooo much
Its just the same if it a golf green, putting green, tee, goal mouth, whatever, if you on a tight schedule, the weather isnt with you and it HAS to come into play quick grass is going to be stressed regardless of how many £k.... Its just 1000 x more difficult in an enclosed environment........
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chrismitchell
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Green is not necessarily beautiful.

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Barry, do you remember when you rebuilt the sleeper wall for me at the second hole a few years ago? It was supposed to be finished by Chrismas but was actualy finished Easter week! Downpour after downpour, saturated soil, flooding etc. but when finaly finished looked great. Picture enclosed. PS. we laid the turf though!

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Barry Pace
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'Where the future is being made today'

Dont I remember..........cost me a bloomin fortune lol...
but we had the luxury of being able to pull off and come back when it was (nearly) dry enough...........
Yeah pity about the turfing ROFL.... never mind it soon got bashed into shape....
Another class job.....................................
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slysi
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You do talk yourself up Barry!
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chrismitchell
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Green is not necessarily beautiful.

Trouble is slysi, he only understands half what he says!!
Think it is because he is sitting down whilst talking, so it all sounds a bit muffled!

Tee Hee
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Barry Pace
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'Where the future is being made today'

well someone has to sly....................................................(tongue in cheek).....
If ya know chris the last post was purely directed at him, he will enjoy the last comment,

The rest is just talkin up contractors in general....................

oi cheeky get......... if i didnt know ya better id be hurt now (muffle muffle)
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slysi
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Barry, there are good and bad contractors, and even the good ones have their bad days(and jobs), but the reason that I posted this thread was that Chelsea only had their pitch laid at christmas and friends of mine say it was the worst job they saw in terms of turf quality. The levels were even worse. Turf growers, in this case Inturf have fields set aside for these winter jobs but for whatever reason supply a sub standard job. It's NOT doing the industry any good mate.
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Barry Pace
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'Where the future is being made today'

Hi sly, a fair enough reply, you are obviously party to more information than most usual posters in the past......
All i was trying to get over is there are far more variables to the success/failure than who does it with what.... its like poor ol mark at talbots, got load of stick last year over pompey yet everyone is ravin about bolton, they would have done the same job at both....its just the timing.........
Cheers
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slysi
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Barry, Talbot's use third party turf growers, who supplied them with turf at Portsmouth last season?
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Barry Pace
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'Where the future is being made today'

yes slysi,
inturf, who also did Bolton last year which was fine apparently......................
Out of interest who an where are ya si????
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slysi
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Barry,
Bolton must have been fine, for them to want to change contractor and turf supplier this year!
Didn't inturf do Birmingham as well this winter?

Greenkeeper, North Lincs
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Anonymous
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Arsenal,spurs,man city,liverpool etc etc chelsea have an operational set up to match all these clubs, all these clubs have consistently high quality surfaces for several years now.
Chelsea have always had a poor quality surface, they have used different contractors and different turf etc etc last few years. There is only one constant with chelsea over past few years. If they cannot get it right which obviously they cannot there are some people who can.
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Anonymous
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my opinion (very humble!!) obviosly the stadium surrounds do not help at the bridge, very high stands all now close to the pitch side, prevent air movement, light etc. I know millenium has major problems with this. But maybe the problem is underneath the pitch, the under soil heating may be effecting the deep rooting of the grass. I cant see how other clubs are gettin it right and cfc are not, i do not beleive the groundsman there have much chance.

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Rob Bradshaw
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thats very true anon its all too do with the base underneath the pitch itself. under soil heating is not recomended by myself id rather see the doam like ipswich town have. alan at ipswich highy speaks of his doam.
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I am not the above anon, but undersoil heating used in moderation is an essential tool-if a team needed a pitch to train on at a couple of days notice and the training ground was frozen, what would be easier-flicking the switch of the undersoil heating at the stadium or getting the necessary manpower to put up and dismantle a dome (manpower that isnt always available) whilst I accept the players could train under a dome type cover depending on the type it wouldnt give them a full pitch to train on as it slopes down near the touchlines-undersoil heating doesnt restrict in that way. Domes and covers such as the Matchsaver are more suited, in my opinion, just to keep the surface dry, though lack of wind does help when putting these covers down, which again isnt a factor with undersoil heating. What do you base your opinion of undersoil heating on Saint?
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shaka
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hi anon match saver is a flat cover not a dome do u mean the mccloud? and sadly all these new tools including lights for those that can efford them are still only aids to help not the end of pitch deteriation in an enclosed stadium at this time of year ! maybe management advise and agronomic advise need refining and together with the tools/aids turf growing will be allowed to be undertaken the end results better pitches will be produced
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Anonymous
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Yes Martin, as you rightly pointed out the cover in my message, Matchsaver, is the lay flat type, it is equally difficult to put on in the wind, hence Burnley losing two games to waterlogged pitches when they couldnt put hteir Matchsaver cover on due to high winds
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Lesta Boy
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I luv Landan

Good morning to you all. Interesting reading on this particular subject.

Now I just wonder what has really made the turf apparently fail?
I assume it was ok when it went in so could it really be the wet weather during and prior to the games played on it through Xmas and January?
Also, was it really good practice to replace the pitch in December anyway when it was not even that bad?
Do we blame the manager for demanding that the pitch be re-surfaced or do we blame the supplier for supplying for supplying a so called " 2nd rate turf "?
Who chose the turf in the first place?
Did the supplier make the club have it?
Does the club employ a consultant?
If they do then surely they are the ones who choose the turf for their client.
Would they recommend that it be used by the club if it was really " 2nd rate "?

Who Knows!

I think we need to know the true facts before we start making assumptions and comments.
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slysi
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Billyboy,

You're quite correct the true facts are not necessarily known, but this is in the sunday mirror today.

I'D GLADLY PITCH IN!
Mourinho desperate to dig up surface as Bridge curse strikes
By Paul Smith

THE CURSE of the Stamford Bridge pitch struck again yesterday - and this time it was Jose Mourinho doing the cursing.

The Chelsea boss threatened to turn up with his own bucket and spade today to help the groundsmen who will tear up the substandard playing surface that was only laid a month ago.

David Marshall, the Norwich keeper, was carried off when he damaged an ankle after just 12 minutes but Chelsea kept their feet to stroll to a 4-0 fifth round triumph.

And Mourinho declared: "Thankfully this was the last game and the pitch is being dug up.

"I said a month ago that the pitch was very bad and we need a good pitch until the end of the season.

"I'm busy but if I wasn't I would be there digging the pitch up. Let's hope the next game is a better pitch.

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"Our next home game is against Porto in the Champions League and for a game at that level we need a proper pitch."

Norwich boss Peter Grant did not blame the poor surface for Marshall's injury but he joined the general mood of condemnation.

Grant said: "For sure the pitch caused problems. There was a lot of sand on it and our legs went in the end and they took advantage." Chelsea laid their last new pitch in time for their FA Cup clash with Nottingham Forest.

It was after this game that referee Alan Wiley sent a report to the FA detailing his concerns about the standard of the surface.

Three days later Ashley Cole suffered a serious knee ligament when he collapsed near the touchline. The unstable pitch was cited as the reason for the injury.

Cole's agents continue to investigate the potential of a legal case agaainst the FA given the fact that the game's ruling body failed to inform Chelsea of the ref's concerns.

Reading this report suggests that the pitch wasn't good from the first game, so perhaps you could enlighten me on why the pitch wasn't any good from the first game onwards.
By the way, watching the game on MoTD last night, it looked awful, played worse and was slated by the pundits in the studio.

Why doesn't the turf supplier just say to the club, our turf is not good enough at the moment?
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taffy
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hi guys, we are talking about one of the clubs with the most money in the premiership here. I cannot understand why clubs with so much money do not have every thing they need to create a top quality playing surface. The groundsman should have every available need to be able to keep that pitch is tip top condition throughout the season. Take arsenal for example, there pitch is looking superb, and they have the lights, the desso system and the air circulation system. Why have chelsea not gone for this option or at least the introduction of lights to help the pitch. I think the lights are going to become a major part of stadia management within the next few years. Surely these pitches should not need re-turfing mid season if they were re-turfed or re-seeded at the end of the season then properly maintained they should last a season at minimum.
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Just so you can all check on the progress, and see exactly where, and if, they are going wrong:

http://www.camvista.com/sports/football/chelsea01.php3
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shaka
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Anon why be anon tell us your name very fustrating you dont tell us your name.

I believe the match saver at burnley is not as wide as the pitch or something with the cover positioning and problem is the water runs off and lays on the sides creating surface water to run back under the cover. as for the cover, match saver is one dimentional from the times I saw it at palace it does not have issues in the wind as the drum its on rolls up the pitch and weighs it down, the other end is fixed ??
the Mccould on the other hand easly the best in the market can be put on in the wind. it may be advisable not to blow the thing up in the wind, surely thst is more common sense. but i cant comment but you should talk to Sports Stadia Services they could advise you better than me (as a non user of the product)
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The issue at Burnley was definately with the wind, though as you say it does only go from touchline to touchline in this instance. The verge that the water ran back under the cover from was replaced-quite badly and unevenly-in the summer with synthetic material to give more wear for the subs etc. The main difference with Palace is that it is in a valley, whereas Burnley is high in the hills as well.

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The Mcleod pitch cover is an excellent tool to have to protect your pitch. But without a good team or the mechanical aids that Ipswich have to manage it, it can be very hard going to use in the wind, rain,cold with frost/snow. You do have to have it lay flat in high winds or heavy snow.
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chrismitchell
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Green is not necessarily beautiful.

Paste this link into your browser and you can watch Chelsea's pitch being relaid.

http://www.camvista.com/sports/football/chelsea01.php3


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alex edwards
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Slysi - Please reveal your identity? It's only a hunch, but it sounds like you're a competitor and not a GK in N Lincs! Alex (Inturf)
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Anonymous
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Chris, miles behind-go back 4 messages and keep up with the rest of us!
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Russ Latham
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Rovers Til I Die !!!

Hello Alex

Good to see you on line.

I trust that the Chelsea consultants knew all about the make up of the turf that was supplied in December.

How did the CFC staff feel after it was installed?
Were they happy with the installation?

Could you really tell the consultants that could not have the pitch if they had advised the club that it was ok?

Is it Sly Si Jacobs by the way????
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slysi
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Alex, I'm not revealing my id anymore than is already available, but you are off the mark and I do work in Lincolnshire on a golf course.
Seeing that you are here, perhaps you would please explain the real facts of the matter at chelsea.
This would be helpful rather than letting us make vague assumptions based on TV evidence and the fact that the surface clearly didn't have a shelf life.
Also your buddy fibresand is suggesting that the turf was chosen, laid and accepted by everyone at the club? Really-are they blind!,
Are the consultants accountable?
thanks Sly Si (not Jacobs?)
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Posted by Slysi on a previous thread.

"I look after football pitches, with a rye composition and sandy profile. Without a regular analysis, it would be impossible to know the correct feeding regime."

Thought you were a GK in Lincs???
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Barry Pace
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'Where the future is being made today'

I have purposely kept quiet on this post for various reasons..and this will be the last post i intend to make
Pls dont take any comments personally..................
Facts.... none of us other than the involved parties know the true facts of what went on but lets look at what we do know:
The Bridge has always struggled.......like several other stadiums. THIS IS DOWN TO THE ENVIRONMENT THAT THE GROUNDSMAN HAS TO TRY AND GROW GRASS IN.
The Rootzone and Drainage in place, the Light levels, the Air movement that each microclimate allows or not.
Next you need to look at the 'tools' he has to hand be it undersoil heating, domes, covers and light systems. The most succesful pitches seem to be the ones with lighting systems, cheslea rely on undersoil heating, could this be affecting grass establishment, its well beyond my agronomic knowledge but is it a factor?

Most importantly you need to understand what is actually being done here....
YOU ARE TAKING TURF FROM A FIELD AND PUTTING IT INTO A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT WHERE GRASS HAS ALREADY FAILED. IT IS AT ITS WEAKEST, STRESSED AND ABOUT TO BE BASHED LIKE HELL
If you are lucky, the weather is with you and you have managed firstly to positively prepare the soil, then the groundsman has the weather to get it establishing as best he can all is sweet.
THIS IS GRASS......................A LIVING GROWING PLANT
It doesnt matter how much money you throw at it... it has to thrive for it to succeed...

The Turf would have been chosen by the consultant.... The people at this level arent going to put something in that is not suitable WHEN VIEWED IN THE FIELD... the bit in between is god country......

i honestly dont believe from my experience with grass that you can sit on here if you are truly knowledgable and slag off any particular grower, consultant and contractor... yes everyone has bad days, thats life, but the variables are what counts, and no one has any control over the main ones....THE WEATHER....

Just remember it was laid in december and look at what the good man upstairs threw at it

This year you have seen top level Rootzone over Stone carpet Pitches call off games when old straight soil drained pitches only a few miles away play.... why, there are other strange things happening within soils this year, due to the dry 2 years, is this another factor, I dont know, I dont know enough but I am open minded enough to thinkthis may be a small percentage of an accumulated affect.

i will be smiling at the replies
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Im back baby!

In fear of getting shot, I actually agree with everything you said Barry.
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Barry

Your post makes a great deal of sense.

I happen to think that groundsmen's jobs are becomming increasingly difficult with the new stadia and I have an enormous respect for them.

And we think we have it difficult as greenkeepers!!



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Then why Barry, do Man United have a bigger stadium, worse climate as it is in the north, usage on a par at least with Chelsea, yet they havent turfed for four years and they dont have lights?

Undersoil heating is far more detrimental than beneficial for grass-the heat over time bakes the roots, and also the rootzone around it, which over time leads to drainage problems.

As this pitch seems to be singled out as being returfed so soon after the last one, take a look in the Championship as it looks like Birmingham and Ipswich are in need of their second returf of the season as well.
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jchip
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Can't leave it alone!!!!

Hello everyone. Read this with great interest!!!! Agree with everything Barry has said above. Spot on!! I also have to say that the xpectations of the clubs are huge, and as Barry says, returfing in mid winter you are really in the lap of the Gods.

Having said this, as anon (why oh why anon??*%!!) says above, Man U have not had their pitch re done in 4 years. I'm not sure if this is true but if it is something has changed. When I worked in this industry Man U seemed to be plagued with the same problems as Chelsea. I remember the press banding around headlines about "best team, worst pitch etc" At the time they were also having to returf 2/3 times per year. If that is not happening now how did they solve their problem? I ask the question because I genuinely don't know the answer. Was it a complete rebuild, the lighting system or a complete change in management scheme?
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It is 100% true about Man United not being turfed for almost 4 years (although the Trevor Ledger of the IOG mag doesnt seem to know that) and the only thing that has changed as such is the Head Groundsman, though that is not meant to criticise his predecessors, so the working practices may have changed compared to pre 2002 when he was appointed. They had a complete rebuild in 2003, and if you would have read my posting properly instead of getting on the 'why anon' bandwagon, you would have seen that I clearly stated that they dont have lights so why you asked if they had lights I dont know.
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Barry Pace
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'Where the future is being made today'

and i said i would be quiet.............................................
Anon 1, Old Trafford - i dont know......they have seemed to have found 'the way' it has gone from being a nightmare pitch to being one that in last season, apparently looked awful but played very very well, this year when i have seen it the grass looks thin but surface looks sound. I dont know what cultivars they are using, I dont know what renovation or reconstruction they have done, i dont know what heating, air or other system they are using.
Do you and have you compared this to The Bridge.......
Birminham is clearly down to problems with the weather, everyone knows what an awful slot they had, I dont know about Ipswich.
It is a known fact that once you start winter returfs it is likely you will highly likely need to keep doin it once you start. it just doesnt get chance to establish.
ITS GRASS FOR PETES SAKE..................................
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If you look at my post it says:

'usage on a par at least with Chelsea'

Is that not a comparison? And dont forget they have had rugby at Man United as well.
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Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

I think it's nigh on impossible to compare 2 stadia surfaces directly. The micro climates within the stadia are not going to be the same, the amount of air circulation, the amount of shade also isn't going to be the same.
Perhaps with Man U they managed to get a groundsman whose methods fitted perfectly with their own specific microclimate (or perhaps he had a better understanding of the microclimate involved through improved modelling).
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Barry Pace
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'Where the future is being made today'

ANON....ARE YOU LISTENING.. I WAS NOT TALKIN ABOUT THE USAGE I WAS TALKIN ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE CRITICAL TO EACH MICROCLIMATE....STOP BEING AN ANON SO SOME CREDIBILITY CAN BE PUT WITH YOUR POSTS.............


(Apologies to all the rest of you posters for shouting but is anyone listening out there!!!!)

Lol i feel so much better now........................
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jchip
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Can't leave it alone!!!!

Glad you got that off your chest Barry!!!! LOL!!! Have a glass of shiraz now.

Anon. You are very touchy aren't you!!! You also seem to be very well informed on the managemnt practices in use at various stadiums. I agree with Barry, winter re lays are in the lap of the Gods re weather. With Man Yoo they seem to heve been able to do away with the need for a winter relay somehow though when for so long it was neccessary. Well done to all involved
Aghhhh... the "why anon bandwagon" Can I ask then Anon seen as you make the point. Why are you anon?
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Anon = Slysi
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Any chance of something "official" from utd as they seem to have broken free from the relay cycle. It should be an interesting article, even for us City fans.

Regards

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Dont you all think that if you carry out correct in season turf maintenance and correct end of season renovation, with all the machinery and techniques that are available to groundsman nowadays compared to ten years ago,that there should ever be any bad professional league playing surfaces?
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chrismitchell
Posted 24 Feb 2007
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Green is not necessarily beautiful.

campey, your thinking is the same as mine. With correct maintenance in the closed season a good sward has a chance to settle in and root down properly. Playing football on newley laid turf is never going to work.

Chris
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Anonymous
Posted 24 Feb 2007
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'You also seem to be very well informed on the managemnt practices in use at various stadiums'

Exactly-I do know what goes on in some of the stadiums, otherwise I wouldnt comment-the fact I do know means I can comment-what qualifies you to comment?
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slysi
Posted 24 Feb 2007
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slysi=slysi.
Not much point otherwise!
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jchip
Posted 25 Feb 2007
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Can't leave it alone!!!!

Hi Anon.
'You also seem to be very well informed on the managemnt practices in use at various stadiums'
It's a statement not a dig!!! My my we are a touchy one!

Nothing qualifies any of us to comment unless we were directly involved. I have a knowledge of grass species and construction but not so much "hands on" day to day maintenance experience which is why I ask the question (used to work for a seed company and a contractor)

Finished working in this industry a couple of years or so ago. Now take a large drink and CALM down slightely. You mustn't take everyone's comments as personal criticism!! LOL!!
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Barry Pace
Posted 26 Feb 2007
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'Where the future is being made today'

Not that I want to bang on..............................................
Old Trafford, the pitch thats 'big upped' by the knockers is borderline and at this moment is not to be relaid because of the inherent issues...........................................................
So its not just a bloomin tough year for the boys in stadiums then..............................................
No matter how much money, what maintenance level or its the micro-climate and the big man upstairs that counts......
I'll say no more for now then (semi smug moment lol)
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Anonymous
Posted 26 Feb 2007
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slysi = Groundsman or is it slysi = Greenkeeper ????
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Anonymous
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Probably swayed United as they gave permission for Inturf to let Chelsea have the pitch that was being grown for Old Trafford, so a suitable one would have been hard to find-very kind of them considering the leaue positions!
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Archer66
Posted 27 Feb 2007
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Putting my hands up to getting it wrong on the Utd pitch, apologies given already and a mention in March issue, an honet yet stupid mistake.

Two points on this - Chelsea not having lights is an issue of space isn't it? i.e. They (allegedly) have nowhere to store them when not in use - at risk of getting another Premiership Groundsman angry I use the word 'allegedly'.

Also would someone put me straight on air movement - in the hotter, more humid regions of the USA they have massive fans (like hovercraft propellers) around the back of golf greens to aid air movement. Would this not work in a football stadium? Just a thought...

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Anonymous
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Bayern Munich and Hamburg are two clubs that employ the use of giant fans in their stadiums, sizing up at around 2 metres tall-Hamburg have 10 of them, not sure how many they have at Munich. I believe smaller ones have been used in this country but dont know where.

Liverpool dont have anywhere to store the big sets of lights, but got round this by using 10 smaller sets that fit into the stadium. In Monaco height is an issue, so the lights used there have adjustable height on them-anything is possible if you throw the right money at it!

As for the Man Utd not being turfed for four years-I did tell you all didnt I!?!?!?!?!
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Anonymous
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Ajax have used fans for a long time too, but in america they are widely used where the humidity is high on golf greens.
I would have to say that reporting that manchester united is re-turfed regularly is NOT an honest mistake, but IS extremely stupid. Any decent journo would have checked facts before publishing a statement like that!

If someone wrote a total inacurate statement like that about me or my club they would find themselves in court,
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Aladdin
Posted 27 Feb 2007
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

I'm far from being an expert, quite the opposite in fact, but could it possibly be that the symptom is being treated rather than the cause?
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Barry Pace
Posted 28 Feb 2007
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'Where the future is being made today'

Bang on Aladdin.......................
Anon, breath in.....1.2.3....breath out
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Anonymous
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Come on Barry, let it go now and move on!
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Barry Pace
Posted 28 Feb 2007
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'Where the future is being made today'

Anon i was actually laffing...............
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petermarkcraig
Posted 28 Feb 2007
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Of course the grass looks good. The sun is shining.

If someone wrote a total inacurate statement like that about me or my club they would find themselves in court.


Quite difficult for someone with no identity to sue or be sued me thinks.
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Anonymous
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Last I heard, taking someone to court was done via Solicitors, not the message board, so the identity on here is irrelevant.
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Barry Pace
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'Where the future is being made today'

.....ROFL.... and I have issues with posts ......?????
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