Message Board - Natural Turf: Global warming ................ are you sure

Well said Rob and Lizzie, quite agree with both of you.

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

oooo I like a good emotion filled post......
I still think Global warming is b&*^%cks, the weather has always been freaky and unfpredictable and will always be so..................

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

wow, some real ignorance is being shown up on this thread.
but, don't worry guys. go and live in america with your selfish and outdated statements. you can have you 10 x 100watt light bulbs around your mirrors in your 3 bathrooms, with the air con running all day, whether you're there or not. you can dry ALL your clothes in the clothes drier, because you would all be too lazy to walk out and hang them to dry naturally. you can even be excited about the great automotive breakthrough that sees the new buick, chevy or ford break the 26mpg barrier. you can drive to and from the shops in you 4x4's that are as big as a lorry. i've lived there, i've seen it. it's an ignorant attitude that is being shown here on this thread.
then go tell the people in bophal, south america etc, that anything you civilised people do to make you cheap bucks doesn't affect them, or the future lives of this world. keep on tearing down the lungs of this earth, rainforest timber looks oh so lovely, doesn't it.
burn those fossil fuels guys, it doesn't matter, who are the clowns whingeing about the holes in the ozone layer?? what's that all about.
we all work outside, (unless we do nothing but sit in a uni all day), noticed how the sun burns more now than it did 15yrs ago??
why do you think that there are european countries that are in the process of banning toxic chemicals that we use to combat our pests. the residual and run off effects are destroying the very nature that we love.
it's all about the balance of nature, you clowns.
balance.
everything this generation is doing destroys it.
it is the so called fools who are telling us to pull our heads in that know what they're on about.
not you idiots.

27 Jun 2007 by Ken Barber

WAY TO GO....Rooter!!

110% behind you mate!

KB

The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under who’s shade you do not expect to sit.

27 Jun 2007 by rooter Last edited 27 Jun 2007

kb,it looks like there is someone alse witha bit of common sense on this thread.
isn't it funny how people embrace scientific and technological advances, when it makes their lives a little easier? except when these discoveries cost something, or eat away at their conscience, if they're not prepared to make some kind of sacrifice.....

rooter that's no better than the b*****x that the government keep spouting. How about backing up some of them statements with some scientific FACTS.
You can't - why cos even the scientists can't.
Is the problem man made ?
or is it just that we're contributing to an already occurring phenomenon ?
Is what we're contributing having a major or minor effect ?

Over the years (I mean lots of years) there have been numerous major global climate shifts. They happen and are a natural cycle of our planet.
All the major scientists get together and all they could come up with is that their consensus of opinion is that man is probably contributing to the change. Science, consensus of opinion WTF. Science is about dealing in facts not consensus'.
All we have on this matter is opinion. If the guys who have access to all the data and figures can't understand them and come up with proof of what's happening then what chance have we.
All we can do is base our opinions on the garbage that people are telling us. Sit down and look at both sides of the equation and you'll come to the same conclusion as me - something doesn't add up.

CO2 levels play a minor role in the various greenhouse gases - and man's CO2 emissions play and minor part in what is already a minor role. Yet that's what the government like to focus on and berate us about.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be more responsible and reduce the crap that we pump into the environment. I just don't believe all the hype that is being placed on the overall importance (globally) of what we're doing. There's too much bulls**t being said about the exceedingly minor things (like car CO2 levels).
It could well be that there is something we're doing that is having a major effect. My guess is that if there is then the g'ment can't tax us on it so they don't mention it.
Fossil fuels are old, dirty and running out. Yet the search for a replacement isn't happening - or if it is it isn't happening in the public eye. Almost all the so called 'new' fuels rely at some point in their production on the very fossil fuels they're supposed to be replacing.
Remember most (if not all) of what we hear is driven by government. The research is either conducted or funded by government. And the government is run by politicians - enough said ;).

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

27 Jun 2007 by chrismitchell Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Have to say I agree with you jlawrence , it is mostly propaganda. What are the chances of a replacement for fossil fuels all the time they are still available? None, there is too much money at stake and the control of other countries with it.
I still want to know where all these mercury compounds used in low energy bulbs is going to be put when they have to be disposed of. There will be a lot of them because like flourecent tubes the dont last very long if constantly turned on and off. Lets face it mercury based fungicides were banned 30 years ago because they do not break down in the soil and were highly toxic.

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

27 Jun 2007 by Ken Barber

Whatever your beliefs, we should all take future generations into consideration.... To ignor the possibilities could destroy the lives of millions of people and we as the supposed intelligent beings on this planet can either carry on and not give a dam about anybody else or consider the possibilities of what could happen.... and what is already happening around the world.

I wonder how differently you would feel in you hadn't had something substantial to eat for weeks, was drinking water that you walked miles for, knowing that it was full of life threatening diseases, or you watched helplessly as your children died around you!

You'll be going home to a square meal as usual, sitting in a warm, safe house, sleeping in a cosy bed, knowing that tomorrrow you will eat 3 square meals again!

Its all relavent!

KB

The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under who’s shade you do not expect to sit.

Gentlemen and ladies....
whatever we do in this little isle, if the effects are man made, are futile anyway because all the time China, Russia and Usa make no contribution to carbon footprints or whatever else we are all f*&##d anyway.
And Ken, while I agree that in certain countries all is not well, all the time greedy corrupt states control themselves appallingly and they continue to, as a people, 'rape' the welfare of others and in some instances act in murderous ways as bad as the nazis ever did the situation in the majority of poorer regions will never improve no matter how many lightbulbs we change. To little is ever done to rein these people in cos of the political influences of the usa/russia/france/uk and generally the money they all make on arms/oil/construction/mining and we can all bleat til we sick but we are just not going to change a thing.
(I am being purposely controversial cos its good to see a bit of real passion in some of the responces)
Barry

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

Rooter, how are you,
I think I have sussed the sun burn effect, it is because we have cleaned up the air so much that more UV is now getting through and not being filtered by the atmosphere, I can remember the smog warnings where the air used to be so heavy with 'cr#p' and you dont get that anymore... maybe....

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

propoganda???
you've hit the nail on the head chris. you have contradicted yourself big time. too much money involved. that's the only reason america won't sign the kyoto treaty to reduce carbon emissions. it is a wasteful society. bush would never sign it because he had the backing of the oil industry, the automotive industry and every big bad bas*ard going.
if we are not going to find alternative sources while we still have the fossil fuels, then how the hell are we going to find them when they are exhausted?? i understand your concerns caused by the disposal of the mercury compounds, and do believe alternatives should be found, but what the hell are we to do with nuclear waste, another no go, as far as this world should be concerned. again, i go back to the banning of toxic chemicals we use, not only in this industry. america don't give a stuff, domestically, they push anything and everything to the consumer, so joe a can have a better lawn than joe b.and the corporate world continue to reap the benefits from the exploitation of all around them.
but it's about the conservation of the sources and minerals we have. that has not happened. ok jl, kif the scientists have no facts, how can i?
fact, the ice age happened, and some other form of mass destruction will happen again.
we have opened a pandoras box of chemicals and toxins to advance this world into a pathetically easier place to live.
we are tearing down the rainforests of south america at what rate is it now??? that's a fact, bhopal is a fact, chernobyl is a fact. waste is a fact. our lifestyles have been wasteful since the boom of the 80's.
do we have to wait, sceptically, for scientific facts before we look to the future, to change our way of life.
do you, as a greenkeeper or groundsman, wait for the proof before you try different things. many believe in a higher, spirtual life, where's the proof? it doesn't stop us believing.
what i am saying is that there is a pig headed attitude going on here, blind faith in david ballamey won't help, and ignorance won't either.
all you clowns are quick to knock when it affects you. they're not after a quick buck, just a little preservation.
mass destruction will happen again, let it occur, NATURALLY

I'm all for global warming, this place is too cold. Why is everyone getting so uptight, I'll be Dead, you'll be Dead, our Grandchildrens, children will be Dead before it even bothers us.
Who killed the Dodo???? Life has it's cycles, Personally i can't wait for the Day the Bumble Bee will be the King of the World!!! (i've heard that in some Weird crap i read from time to time!!)
I think we need a World War because all this political crap is boring. I hate the fact that we have to Justify everything we do.
I agree the American's are a huge ignorant race, they disregard the world too much. And we're just as bad, we ship loads of our waste to Asian countries.
Rooter your right about 1 thing, theres no scientific fact about the Spiritual life but i certainly believe in Father Christmas!!
The Only real proof about the world be ruined by mankind was in the early 1900, when the smog hit london.
Religion is the worlds Biggest enemy, All these terrorist activities are all down to Religion, who's gonna help us when these B***ards get hold of Nukes.
The American's????

On a Serious Note can anyone tell me. What Eat's Bumble Bee's???

Ivor,
I have when riding my bike too fast with me mouth open as a kid....... bloody hurt too, didnt taste too good either so not recommended.

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

What can kill Keith Richards????

Right heres some science from NEW SCIENTIST MAGAZINE: CO2 levels on the increase right?! Good or Bad?
Well lets see...
a while back everyone thought the rainforests were the lungs of the world, well, sorry guys, theyre not.
EU puts controls on fishing, because cod on the decrease, but then Countryfile reports that fisher men are throwing back Cod, because they are not decreasing, WHY?
well, NEW SCIENTIST HAS THE ANSWER-
Its because THE OCEANS are the lungs of the world, and THIS is whats really happening:
CO2 levels increase
MORE OCEANIC PLANT LIFE
=MORE PLANKTON
=MORE FISH

The OCEAN is actually using up any INCREASE in CO2, so it isnt actually staying in the atmosphere and wreaking it.

As for chloroflorocarbons creating a whole in the Ozone layer (which is what causes us to get more burnt than before NOT increase in CO2 levels, so well clear THAT one up now), NEW SCIENTIST also recently reported that the hole over antartica is actually getting SMALLER
Humm, I wonder why that is if we are all selfishly driving our 4x4s like our American cousins.

NOW, before anyone wishes to tell me im wrong, I will happily debate this issue with anyone who has a background in SCIENCE and specifically the SCIENCE in question (so Sports science doesnt count im afraid), which im sure counts most people out. And for anyone who would like to question MY background, I have an A level in Biology and ive conducted a study on ecology and CO2 levels as part of my degree (while i was doing a geography module for those wishing to point out that my degree is a humanities degree and mostly theology based) and ive done a study on chloroflorocarbons and the effects on the Ozone. i also have a copy of the Kyoto summit summary.

Rant over

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Ken Barber

Slow down liz..... or you'll blow a fuse! Take a slow deep breath.........................It may be your last!

Anybody see the new David Attenbourgh natural world programme last weekend. That was a sure reminder of what man is doing to effect nature and its survival around the globe!

KB

The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under who’s shade you do not expect to sit.

Big up to lizo for adding excellent content
mmwwuuaahh

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by tonybolton

Educated people used to believe the earth was flat, education may not be fact just the learning of other's beliefs that may or may not be fact. That sort of puts the 'I've got a degree' argument into question, a degree in what? fact or fiction.

A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother

20 years ago it was acid rain that was going to kill us all, I wonder wgat happened to that? Of course there is always Stephenson and his trains. He was told if you travelled more than 30 miles an hour you would suffocate, try telling that to the flying Scotman. Also did anybody see the channel 4 documentary called the great global warming rip off? It shot all of the popular myths down in flames. It is natural climate change and it backed up exactly the points Lizzie makes. Guess where the most poluted place on the planet is? A place in Brazil where all the catalytic converters are made!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

tonybolton, educated people believe man is the prime cause of climate change when quite obviously he is not.

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

27 Jun 2007 by mickjm

When will anyone learn that this will never go away because of one simple reason. Governments, in whatever country and for whichever party will use some horsesh1t excuse to blame everything apart from the one thing actually causing the problems (APPARENTLY)...........CARS!

And the reasoning goes a little like this:-

The general internal combustion engine when invented some 100 and odd years ago remains the same today as it did back then. SO why when everything else has developed so dramatically since the Queen Vic was more than a boozer on a crap sitcom and ruled this fine EMPIRE has it remained the same. Because the whole world lives of the revenue gained from OIL, the most prevalent fossil fuel and one which is supposed to be reducing. Without the internal combustion engine(Petrol or Diesel) we'd have far better Co2 emmisions (apparently). Trouble is all the tree huggers seem to fail to realise that, as was highlighted on Sir D Attenborough's program, to grow enough natural resources to power our vehicles we have to pull apart the very 'lungs' as was mentioned before, of the planet. The Rainforests!!!! SO which one do we want?? WE can't save the bloody rainforests AND provide greener fuel so which one is it?
So a greener planet and safer place for our kids kids kids kids kids will only happen when Somebody in serious power actually has the balls to stand up and prevent the further development of an internal combustion engine which runs solely on petrol/diesel instead of intoducing CRAP hybrids to appease the politicians. Which will inevitably p1ss a lot of people off. Otherwise we will continuously go round and round in ever decreasing circles arguin the toss over what is or isn't right on this planet, when quite honestly I don't really give a damn. WE are a significantly tiny nation compared to those who don't give a flyin f*ck ie China/Usa/Russia. And I for one don't care for the shi-ite that gets drilled into this nation and the fact that we over pay heavy taxes which are supposed to help this when our total input to the problem of easing carbon emmisions amounts to something like 2% worldwide and the others don't.
Oh and recycling is a bloody farce too. As I've mentioned on here before. Up here in nose bleed territory (southern shandy drinkin girls blouses ) It costs me a fortune to recycle that which is easily and readily recyclable Garden Green Waste £80/t yet I can bring all manner of **** which will end up in landfil and it costs £10/ton. Wheres the logic in that? ITS DOWN TO TAXES AND MAKIN MONEY THATS IT, NOBODY REALLY CARES TO DO SOMETHING DRASTIC ENOUGH TO MAKE SUCH A DIFFERENCE AND THATS THE WAY IT WILL STAY.

No Fork handles....Handles for forks!!

Amen to the gospel according to mickjm

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Yetanotherdave Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Don't all these idiots that go to these G8 Summits, contradict themselves?? How many Cycle to them, or do they all Fly?
It's all Scare mongering.
Liz water takes over 70% of our world, if the Oceans are our Lungs. How can anyone prove that Co2 levels have increased???
Iceburgs melting?? Doesn't frozen water expand also the ice is above the sea, so it's weight is keeping the water levels up. If the ice melts then surely the water around the globe would decrease?
Anyone on this forum who Believe in global warning, should stop using electricity to type out your replies. So this shouldn't be a debate.
LETS KEEP ON RUINING THE WORLD it'll be more fun.

Glad to see that my comments went down a treat....was starting to think i'd lost my touch, and that u lot had made me soft!

Oh and I believe i stated what my degree was in...
and rather than "fact or fiction" i think the statement here is: social construct because there is no such thing as fact, same as there is no such thing as X causes Y (not even with smoking causes cancer)
Now, before u draw the knife, let me explain, and think about this carefully, because someone with a PhD in Biology told me this one;

Even with "smoking causes cancer" there is always going to be hidden factor Z that makes it appear to lead X to cause Y, and because its a HIDDEN factor, we may NEVER know what that hidden factor is, never mind WHY it leads X to cause Y....
and as for FACT, and specifically Scientific FACT, there is no such thing, because we dont know everything, and we are still learning, SO: therefore, we cant claim ONE thing leads to ANOTHER....
NOW, before anyone sees this as a way to critique my argument, as some sort of weakness, it is BECAUSE of this VERY ARGUMENT that we CANNOT say we are the cause of global warming because we produce CO2, but we KNOW we arent, because global warming goes in cycles (Just ask David Bellamy, because this is HIS argument) and there have been periods in history (Ice from Greenland can prove this) PRIOR to industrialisation when CO2 levels increased NATURALLY, and YES, to the SAME ammount as now And in the SAME WAY DECREASED over time.

Im back baby!

READ WHAT I WROTE IVOR: Its not about HOW MUCH H2O there is, its about HOW MUCH OCEANIC PLANT LIFE THERE IS!
Surely I dont have to explain photosynthesis as well?!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Yetanotherdave Last edited 27 Jun 2007

I'm saying the 70% of the world is covered by H2O, and granted this would include a loads of Oceanic plant life as you put it our lungs. In addition to these's lungs there is another 20% of the globe with organic matter i.e Plants, grass and trees all of which are designed to absorb Co2 and give out Oxygen.
So this world would be a pretty lame world if 90% of the carbon eaters i.e plant life, couldn't control the Co2 problems.
It's all a farce
Just my theory

27 Jun 2007 by rooter Last edited 27 Jun 2007

liz, you have really cleared this debate up. NOT.
blind faith in david bellamy
blind faith in THE NEW SCIENTIST, (what's that all about?) get your head out of the books and look out the window
and blind faith in tv, specifically ch4 (the very same station that gives us [or the idiots that watch it], big brother)
wake up you clowns

But thats clearly what is going on; the plant life in the ocean is absorbing the CO2 that is man made, hence the CO2 levels DECREASING. They are NOT increasing at all. Studies have proven this, but there is big business to be made in the great global warming scam, and the data is being cooked by the governments to get what they want out of it.
That is WHY David Bellamy says its all rubbish. Even a top bloke in Greenpeace said it was Bo****ks.

Im back baby!

I would much rather trust Channel 4 and natures high priest David mwuah muwah Bellamy (even tho his boy is a cr#p footballer) than a politician anyday.
The only time you know a politician isnt lying is when they are nailing the box shut. Ecomania is ALL about politics and budgets

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

For your information Rooter, I did not watch the C4 programme. And I hope you realise that those who propound the theory of global warming sit with their heads in books.

You want to argue science with me then go ahead, in an academic way, along with everyone else, instead of trading insults.
Insults are for the playground.

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63 Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Et ecce gaudium et laetitia occidere vitulos et iugulare arietes comedere carnes et bibere vinum comedamus et bibamus cras enim moriemur

Regards

Steve

Isaiah 22.13

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

Steve63
Don't even go there, Scientist have never proven anything about God and stuff, But EVOLUTION they can.
What about my theory, the Devil created the World and since Religion is the root to all evil, then god is ruining it!!!!

fagwmen kai piwmen, aurion gar apoqnhskomen

Thats what it says in the greek!

Oh and if we quoting scripture now, then JOHN 3:14!!!!!

(thats the one EVERYONE quotes!)

P.S Steve-stop showing off!....thats my job!

Im back baby!

Interesting tack, a weather expert on the news last night explained why all the flooding has occurred in England.: apparently all the flooding around Sheffield is down to.......................... 'a lot of rain falling in the same place over a short period of time'.
....... hhmmm thats explained it then

Not caused by poor management of waterways and flood defences...DAMS!...etc due to politicians, budgets and centralising of the EA police as well as poor planning of housing........mmmmmm

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

IVOR- New science has since proven Darwin was wrong, and most scientists believe in God; science does not in fact discount religion. Nor vice versa.
And the genesis account?
well, considering that time was measured differently when it was writen, and that 7 days meant 7 time periods, it is actually very close to how it happened-MANY scientist will tell you that

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63 Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Liz,

Google - copy - paste

The known adjusted text is :- Eat, Drink and be Merry for tommorrow we may die.

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

AND as the "Resident theologian" I suggest we steer well clear of a serious science vs religion debate, because science on its own is easy enough to argue about!

Im back baby!

Actually i took Greek last year Steve, but the font doesnt come out on here, so u have to do it phonetically

Im back baby!

oooooooo touche @ steve anyone got a bandage

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63

I was refering to my post, not Liz's,it can only surely end one way -

"Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah --from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities --and also the vegetation in the land." Genesis 19:24, 25 NIV)

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

Then i apologise Steve, for the crossed wires!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63

No apology needed, just something that turns me back from stone!

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

Oh, and theres the proof that acid rain isnt man made!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter Last edited 27 Jun 2007

as i always seem to have to do for all you educated folk that lack in common sense, here is my spin.
the world is on a downward spiral, how long?? i dunno. should we help it along??
can we help to slow down the trend??
speed it up??
look to yourselves for the answer, if it isn't obvious, the answer is no.
do we have a moral obligation to look after it??
is the fact that we continue to reap the lungs of the earth, (rainforests), detrimental environmentally, and morally?
do the species who survive in that space have a right to live??
do my kids have a right to a future full of the wonders of the world??
do we have a right to exploit mother nature, and the poorer, third world nations?? you know, kids in sweat boxes, the taking of other nations minerals and resources for two bob compensation.
do we have a right to ABUSE the energy sources we have??
is it ok to produce resources in poorer countries, because the safety standards in the developed nations make it an additional cost to look after the earth, and the kids who are so poor that's the only place they can afford to live??
look at the endangered species list.
the BALANCE OF NATURE is getting wrecked, by us, not nature.
BALANCE is the key. ie, 4x4's as big as trucks, electric can openers, items of convenience, not necessity.
don't try to tell me that abuse of resources, and nature isn't helping this earth to ruin.
you clowns

All that that proves is when the 'book' was written the politicians and planning laws were still daft enough to put houses where you shouldnt, Flood Plains, Volcanoes, yada yada yada

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

I know liz i saw the Wizard of Oz once, did you see what that water did to that poor witch!!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

ivor,
have you got anything sensible to say???

Yep Rooter, i used to read the Politician monthly, and i believed EVERY word any politician has ever said because they don't ever tell lies. Go on Gordon do ya worst!!!!!!!!
Barry SPOT ON, i luv ya

Rooter, I do understand your tack, but unless you have got the email of the top blokes in 3 countries and a big handful of each ones b*&&%*£$ you can say all ya like, who knows what is right or wrong with all the spin,
I know deforestation is bad but it is being dealt with by regeneration and renewable sources, Fuels they will soon have an alternative to oil fuelled engines, sweat shops, conditions, water and food in 3rd world countries, take out the manipulating theiving gits in charge and they will sort themselves.
Ice caps, another couple of degrees in the n atlantic and we will be buying snow blowers and asking norwegian greenkeepers how to keep greens.

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

charity begins at home, barry.
this is our time, this is our moment.
let's start a trend, not follow like a bunch of kiwi sheep

LOL.
And scientist NO LONGER believe the rainforest are the lungs of the world, so your in the minority if you still believe that one....FYI, both sides of the debate agree on this ONE issue.
What we do doesnt make a blind bit of difference, because people COULDNT do anything about it on the previous occasions and it still happened and then it still went back to normal.

I have to ask tho, since climate change is holding back the ICE AGE we are OVERDUE, which of the two do you prefer???

Me I opt for anything BUT ice!

Wanna blame someone? blame the B*^&tard who put u here!

Im back baby!

That'll be nice Barry, did you know there are elements in Snow, that are not found anywhere else. Which the Grass Loves. I Know this cos i've been told!!!

Hey im sure those are lyrics from a song by Martine Mccutcheon....

And dont insult the sheep, they like to follow!

Im back baby!

Steve still silent....
is he still stoned??!!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

no liz, you may be right, the scientists may not believe that rainforests are the lungs of the world. because the rapists have all but decimated that part of the world. and i am sure that the scientists played a major part in that capitalistic exploitation.
do the scientists rule your conscience, liz. have you no thought or theories of your own.
who is the bastar* liz. are you referring to God???
blame is a pathetic word. action is better.
you have not made one comment about the results of what has gone on in regard to the world we leave our kids, with whatever wonders left.
are you a scientist?
do scientists see things only in black & white?
if so, then give me an accountant any day..........

27 Jun 2007 by lizoconnor Last edited 27 Jun 2007

the rapists

You may wish to use a different turn of phrase-you dont know who you may be offending-all be it unitentionally, by using such a term.

You wanna discuss, then fine, but remember, "theories" need to be backed up with evidence which in this case is science.

Dont insult me or question my character when you do not know me.

Dont take a light hearted comment, and take it out of context.

Dont assume i refer to God, knowing full well im a theological student.

Dont put down those who are educated

Im back baby!

Rooter, surely you cant mean that nearly every problem we have in the world today is due to an accountant having too much say..................

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by iantom

Somebody mentioned Bumble Bees. 6 species have become extinct in the last 10 years. Who's fault is that? No bumble bees, no cross-pollonization = ? Bird life on the decline. When did you last hear a skylark in the U.K. ?
How does your tap water taste ? The last glass I had in the U.K. was disgusting. Tasted of chemicals? How is the congestion on the roads? Millions of cars standing still, engines running, not causing any problems are they? Lets pretend that they are not polluting the air that we breath. How would you feel about paying £ 20,000 for a Ford Fiesta? That is the price for one in Denmark. A tax of 180% is put on every car sold. Everybody rides bikes. Pesticides are banned and you can drink pure tap water. Thousands of Windmill turbines are in use to provide energy. There maybe only 5 million people in this small country but they do more for conservation, ecology and CO2 emmissions than any other European country. So you can sit there in the U.K. and pretend that all is well with the world but maybe you should take your heads out of your backsides and wake up. I am not a member of greenpeace but just a greenkeeper who hopes that his children may carry on enjoying fresh air, fresh water and when did you last see wild deer walking past your house?

Depends on who his accountant is!

Im back baby!

Yesterday. I live in Sussex. there are deer everywhere

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

ok,
looking for a more practical term, the bas***ds who have violated what belongs to the people of this earth. a lifeblood to nature and mankind. they are taking away the soul of the natives who live there.
theory, cut down tress, upset the balance. disprove that. regeneration? propogating 2yr old trees to replace those 1000's of yrs old?? make good sense?? imagine the wildlife stacking up in those little replacements.
the world is not a car. you can't just replace these natural wonders.
i have to assume you refer to god, liz. or are you referring to my father??
balance is a strong word. no balance, everything turns upside down.
i am not putting down educated people. i'm educated myself, and i happen to believe in learning from, personal or otherwise, experience

27 Jun 2007 by chrismitchell Last edited 27 Jun 2007

How about the great ad for Sainsburys. "We want to help save the planet so we are going to give away toilet roll today, free!" It comes from a sustainable source so we wont be using any more rain forests!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Any fool knows that toilet roll is made from coppiced eucalyptus and grows faster than it is used and has been for years.

Hey rooter have you thought of living in a wattle and daube shack with recycles goose grease candles as your energy source? Don't think the old PC will work under those conditions somehow!

In the paper today. One scientist from the Uni. of East Anglia stating the floods in the north of England were caused by global warming. Second scientist states that is a load of rubbish, these cycles happen regularily and have since records began. What possible chance of us mere mortals being able to make a judged decision when the , so called experts, cannot even agree?

Another small point to make, plants DO take up CO2 when growing and when the trees have leaves on them, however when thay die and decompose al the CO2 they absorbed is released back into whence it came from. The atmosphere. It is called the carbon cycle. So when you cut the grass the resulting clippings decompose and give off, yes you've guessed it, CO2!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

Chris (how are ya) look at the floods we had down here few years ago, Chichester, cos they built on a flood plain, put too small a pipe in an badly managed water levels and controls and Uckfield and Lewes, again poor running of controls and water levels kept high to keep conservationist happy along with poor waterway maintenance.... oh and yes it rained,.. a lot... in a short period of time... on one place.... so we didnt used to get rain then...

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

Heres the comparison btw:
Denmark-
Population: 5.4 million
Area: 43098 sq km ( 16640 sq miles)

UK-
Population: 59 million
Area: 244110 sq km

So: obviously its a bit easier for the Danes to ride bikes and feel good about themselves.....

Remember (those of you who were alive then; thankfully im 23, so i wasnt!) during the war, when the government told everyone to do X and it would help the war effort??
It almost never did just made people FEEL better, because they FELT like they were helping. Thats not the same.
and if, like tesco says, every little helps, then the actions of the few would have some impact, that would challenge the thoughts of the many

Im back baby!

I have decided that it should be made a rule that all scientist should state what budgets they are trying to secure when making press statements so we know when the ones wanting thousands of pounds of our money to go jaunting around the world and getting their name in the papers might just have a little reason for statements such as that.
It rained, the existing streams, rivers and system because of lack of planning and management could not cope and it flooded................ end of..

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

Am good Barry. Yep, Uckfields a prime example of bad management. Let's build an industrial estate next to a river at the lowest point for miles and cover all the surrounding land with concrete. Oh dear it floods, damn, should have seen that one coming!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

For the record: I am not in favour of deforestation.
Surely those amongst us who are literate can work out what i have said. At no point did i tell anyone to grab their husky and head for Brazil. The point I made, was that it is the oceans that soak up excess CO2 not the rainforests.

I am well aware of the Carbon cycle and night time photosynthesis, I dont think at any point I have disputed this, but since there is more plant life in the oceans than anywhere else (most of the planet is water after all) more photosynthetic activity is being carried out in the oceans than anywhere else on the planet.

Im back baby!

I vote all those who are of the belief that we are to blame should stop arguing, switch off their PC, scrap their car and turn off all their lights...

Im back baby!

Not disputing you Lizzie. Deforestation is a different subject. More about wildlife, food and the stabilisation of the topsoil but unfortunately people, thanks to the poular press, seem to thing it has something to do with CO2 emissions.

Chris

PS. Lizzie I'm on your side on this one

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

27 Jun 2007 by chrismitchell Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Not disputing you Lizzie. Deforestation is a different subject. More about wildlife, food and the stabilisation of the topsoil but unfortunately people, thanks to the popular press, seem to thing it has something to do with CO2 emissions.

Chris

PS. Lizzie I'm on your side on this one

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63

Just had a budget meeting, I am overspent and have just been stoned. "don't spend anymore til Sept" fat chance, just had contractor in to aer-aid my greens and bought some fert.
Going home now, on my bike, my effort for global warming.

See ya'll later dudes.

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

Chris, its so much more than that though, because above (in terms of flow) all the ditches, streams and dykes (lewes) and river complexes are so badly managed now there was no holding capacity for water, yes the concrete certainly did not help but it was how quick the water got there that caused the problems at all 3 IMO
Barry

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

chris,
i recycle, and do not abuse my world. no i don't recycle goose grease, do you???
well, as to decmposition. if mother nature is left to it's own resources, trees will regenerate regularly, so there is always absorption of co2. lucky when we cut our grass, that we leave some there to carry out this cycle.

and if, like tesco says, every little helps, then the actions of the few would have some impact, that would challenge the thoughts of the many

well said liz, you are echoing everything that i am saying, thank you

Now look what you have done Barry. Since you started this threat they are dropping like flies, poor old Steve on his bike, Lizzie having a rant, rooter having a rant. I put it down to global warming myself!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

Rooter - the balance of nature is being wrecked by us ?
Is it though ?
Or are we only assisting in the change ? Or is that change inevitable what ever we do or don't do. ?
Should we attempt to interfere further - given mankind's natural ability of managing to make things worse ?
Is mankind really so arrogant that it thinks it has power of mother nature ? seems like your saying that it is and it has.

There is a balance in nature and that balance includes climate change and ice ages. It's happened in the past and it will happen again in the future.

Do you really believe all the political BS so much that you think mankind can control natures cycles.
Get real you clown.

oh Liz, we're not necessarily overdue another ice age. Whilst predominately the interglacial periods last around 10->11,000 years that's not always the case - there have been occasions where the interglacial's have last 15->30,000 years.

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

Deforestation point was aimed at rooter Chris, and i got carried away, but i didnt think u were anti me

Glad Steve no longer stoned!

For those who still dont believe me, check this out, its not a channel 4 web site, and although the website name is a bit naff, its actually very scientific, with loads of scientists, not just one bloke, backing it up with actual data
http://www.globalwarmingisafarce.com/

Im back baby!

ffs - slow down with the posting. whilst writing the above post another dozen appeared.

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

and if, like tesco says, every little helps, then the actions of the few would have some impact, that would challenge the thoughts of the many

well said liz, you are echoing everything that i am saying, thank you

BUT THEYRE NOT, AND THAT IS MY POINT

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

chris.
popular press, it's fact.

Can we stop all this talk of clowns btw, ever since I saw IT when i was 11, I have been scared of Clowns

JL- my apologies for speed!

Im back baby!

Oh and Chris, ranting is what I do, when i believe in something. Dont blame Barry for letting me out of my cage!

Im back baby!

Chris, you cant beat a bit of healthy debate, especially with a bit of passion.
As long as we all understand that like all things in life we will (not us people generally) all have different views. To impose a view is bordering on fascism and dictatorship..... Oh just like the Uk is becoming then...... It will all be fine soon anyway with the propoganda and mind doctoring that is occurring in schools nowadays so when the next generations come along it will all be put to right.....

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

chris
Is mankind really so arrogant that it thinks it has power of mother nature ? seems like your saying that it is and it has.
no, you idiot.

ABUSE OF RESOURCES.

do you not think that this is speeding up the process.
have a good read of EVERYTHING i've said, bozo

Rooter- leave the insults out of it.

Im back baby!

Rooter and others, passion is one thing but can we ease back on the verbal, like i said opinions are individual and should be expected and respected
(Rant done for you PC)

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

Guy's these are the Lyrics we are ALL looking for, it's from a really good friend of mine, and like the Scientists i believe his every word!!!!

There's a place in your heart
And I know that it is love
And this place could be much
Brighter than tomorrow.
And if you really try
You'll find there's no need to cry
In this place you'll feel
There's no hurt or sorrow.
There are ways to get there
If you care enough for the living
Make a little space, make a better place.

Chorus:
Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me and the entire human race
There are people dying
If you care enough for the living
Make a better place for
You and for me.

If you want to know why
There's a love that cannot lie
Love is strong
It only cares for joyful giving.
If we try we shall see
In this bliss we cannot feel
Fear or dread
We stop existing and start living
Then it feels that always
Love's enough for us growing
Make a better world, make a better world.

Chorus:
Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me and the entire human race.
There are people dying
If you care enough for the living
Make a better place for
You and for me.

Bridge:
And the dream we would conceived in
Will reveal a joyful face
And the world we once believed in
Will shine again in grace
Then why do we keep strangling life
Wound this earth, crucify it's soul
Though it's plain to see, this world is heavenly
Be God's glow.

We could fly so high
Let our spirits never die
In my heart I feel
You are all my brothers
Create a world with no fear
Together we'll cry happy tears
See the nations turn
Their swords into plowshares
We could really get there
If you cared enough for the living
Make a little space to make a better place.

Chorus:
Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me and the entire human race
There are people dying
If you care enough for the living
Make a better place for
You and for me.

Refrain (2x)

There are people dying if you care enough for the living
Make a better place for you and for me.
There are people dying if you care enough for the living
Make a better place for you and for me.

You and for me / Make a better place
You and for me / Make a better place
You and for me / Make a better place
You and for me / Heal the world we live in
You and for me / Save it for our children
You and for me / Heal the world we live in
You and for me / Save it for our children
You and for me / Heal the world we live in
You and for me / Save it for our children
You and for me / Heal the world we live in
You and for me / Save it for our children

insults are what makes debate more interesting :)
and when someone brings up a subject like this then there's bound to be a few insults flying around - anyone who takes them personally is a fool :D

I thought we were talking about climate change / global warming - that's what I was referring to with regards to 'mankind believing it has power over mother nature'.

Abuse of resources is a different subject - one that I happen to mostly agree with you on. I just don't agree that it is the cause of the climate change.

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

john, i'm not saying it is THE cause.
but it definitely has a detrimental effect.
ivor, love your sentiments, better than the bumble bee theory.

I cant stand Michael Jackson

Im back baby!

I have a valid point rooter, who would of thought that after the Dinosaur era that mankind would of taken over. They would of been seen as wee bumble bee's compaired to those big buggers!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Pitchcare Peter

Thank you Barry. Insults have no place on this website.

This week's floods in Yorkshire would suggest that climate change is going on .... until you read that these are the "worse floods since 1869" which suggests that nothing is new!!

Very little of our recent weather is 'new' as pretty much every time something unusual happens it is followed by "the worst since ...." of "the hottest since ..." and so on.

I believe we all have a duty to protect our planet in which ever way we see fit. Whether that is recycling waste, walking or cycling instead of using the car or putting up bumblebee nest boxes etc. is down to the individual.

I am more of the view that we are in a cycle of weather rather than human effected change but, even then, it is hard to believe that by plundering our planet's resources we are not having, or will have, some detrimental effect.

Rooter, I am saying man is being very arrogant if he thinks he is oley respobible for climate change any difference the people of Great Britain are making is so minute to be imesureable.

Lizzie, he is in fact plastic! Sorry to have to be tho one to tell you!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

Thank you Peter!

Chris:

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Our existance on this planet is so insignificant that one large volcanic action (of which we are due!) will have far more effect on the environment and weather than 1000 years of mankind and there are some quarters of the scientific world that actually put recent changes down to the after effects of recent eruptions around the world.
(just another lil stick for the dogs to chase lol)

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

Chris, I think rooter is saying that as well. We probably ain't helping matters, but and it's a big BUT. If what we're doing is only accelerating (to some degree or other) what is happening anyway should we attempt to alter it.
The politicians will have us believe that we are the cause of the climate change and that we have the power to arrest or even reverse said change. I maintain that we're not the cause, nor should we even attempt to reverse it - if we even could.
Yes, we should look after the planet and not make matters worse by plundering the limited resources that we have. But we shouldn't be so arrogant as to believe that we can arrest (or reverse) mother natures cycles.

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

It's All Swings and Roundabouts,
Liz this one is for you, "it doesn't matter if your Black or White!!! owwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Sorry liz i'm no fan of that thing either!! I'm just random and i like to mess about sometimes, Life tries to be too serious, Global Warming MY ****. Seriously who cares.
My grass is green isn't that all that matter on this forum???

27 Jun 2007 by STAFF - Dan Parkes

After finally getting to the end of this post (what a read), must reply to iantom..

I did see a skylark, just outside my house last week, first time i had heard/seen one since 2000 when our council decided it would be a good idea to mow over and "tidy up" an overgrown field when hosting a millenium event. hopefully there will be more appearing over the next few years.

hey, im just killin time till the rains clear!

Shame he didnt take his own advice!

Oh and random? your my kinda guy then

ALL HAIL THE RANDOMNESS!!

lol

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

what i worry about, as i have said all along is

Liz, if you're waiting for the rain to clear you could be on here for a while ;)

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

PMSL @ Ivor... thank you I now understand all you previous posts on other forums and will view accordingly in the future

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by lizoconnor Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Oh and for all my adoring fans who like a good read! (lol)
check out my blog,
http://roadtodublinmarathon2007.blogspot.com
and click on the link to justgiving, and donate some of your hard earned cash to a good cause, and sponsor me at Dublin Marathon-that will make u feel better than any low energy light bulb!

Im back baby!

JL- nah, im gonna give up at 3 when i collect my son from school!

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27 Jun 2007 by rooter

liz, how are you getting there, boat, plane, or canoe???!!!???

27 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace Last edited 27 Jun 2007

As the guilty party for starting this monster, my whole point was Global Warming, how can they blame drought one year and flood the next on this. A shift in general climate yes, ie drought every year or regular flooding every year but the weather is unpredictable, always has been always will be....................................... amen
Last years Irrigation problem is now filed while everyone wants drainage this year.......................................

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

IM GONNA FLY!!!

Im back baby!

Yeah Barry but you watch this time next month and we'll have a bloody drought on our hands and a hosepipe ban will be in place for August!!!!

oh of course!

Im back baby!

And you know there just wont be enough water to go round in the SE, not because they have built too many houses with no increase in infastructure but because of .................Global Warming........
Political Bull$3(t...................................

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Pitchcare Peter

I wish I could fly

27 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace Last edited 27 Jun 2007

LOL@PP
Now he really is guilty of leaving an unnecasserry carbon foot print

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

barry, i feel for you and understand your plight. i inadvertantly started wembley, remember?
but barry, it's not political, it's fact, common sense will tell you, seriuosly.
ivor, the hospital rang, your brain will be ready on thursday.
wake up ivor, your bell just rang!!

Im flying Stansted-Dublin Ryanair, the wickedest polluter there ever was!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Yetanotherdave Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Cool i'll see if i can call down on thursday to collect it! But aren't u the one that doesn't make any sense on this forum, what do you always mumble on about?!!
what i worry about, as i have said all along is

what's all that about??

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

flying in an F111 are you, or a HARRIER JUMP JET???

Dont feel sorry rooter I am pleased to get the responses in general, I am someone of open mind and have thoroughly enjoyed, even seriously laffed out loud at much of the banter as well as scowled at others, that is debate and is just how it should be,
As much as I would like to lead the perfect life, short of moving to Denmark, there is little I can do and collectively we are but minnows in an extremely small shoal.
It is ALL about politics and always will be......

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

at the moment ivor, all i worry about is you.

LOL!

Well I must love u and leave u all, for the time being at least, as my son does not like to be kept waiting....
(if u think im bad, wait til u meet him!)

Ciao

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

no it's not

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

and barry,
contradiction is not the way to have a good argument

27 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Change of tack, Liz used to fly Ryanair twice week into Cork or Kerry, all I will say is listen to the pilots accent, if hes british be a good flight, if hes south american it seemed they all trained as drugs runners and will be low fast and under radar, if eastern european they all ex russian fighter bomber pilots and you will attack from the sun...good luck
(you know what I mean if you have flown Ryanair before)

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

So what is a good argument then Roots......

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

yes everything you say is correct...... there argument sorted then.............not

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by chrismitchell Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Rooter,It is not possible to have an argument t without at least one person involved being contrary otherwise it would just be agreement!
Nothing is being added to the planet or for that matter taken away, it has always been here. Even the fossil fuels were once apon a time living plants upon the surface, burning merely returns them from whence they came in the first place, the atmosphere.

A good point made by Ken earlier, rainfall does absorb CO2 as it falls and adds it to the ground. As rain absorbs CO2 it become weak carbonic acid which causes the erosion you see on rocks.

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

27 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Very interesting Home Page Post by Cranfield Uni on catchment areas and run off, mind you be handy to have another injection of cash to their funds.....

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63 Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Just got home and dealt with the builder, turned the computer on and its taken me half an hour to catch up.
Just wondering about all the electricity being burned on this thread alone and the sun has come out, must be global warming.

Best Regards to you all

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

LOL!
Glad to be back from school run!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by trubs

Wish i was ejukated like you Steve.. it's taken me an hour.
(was trying to watch an old film as well though!). Ban f@rting, that'll sort it.

LOL!
Glad to be back from school run!

Im back baby!

LOL!
Glad to be back from school run!

Im back baby!

Right, this is interesting to see, solar flares, volcanoes temperature hmm bet you didnt know that there is more chemical ozone depletion over the poles the colder it gets eh??
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/met/jds/ozone/index.html

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Pitchcare Peter

Calm down dear!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63 Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Nobody's mentioned methane from cows yet!

Regards
steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63

As smoking in England is to be banned from public places from 1st july, do you think that will help the environment, or will the government just increase the tax on something else, like road tax on 4 X 4's

Regards

steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

LOL!

no, they re just gonna charge us per mile instead!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by rooter

ever see a monty python sketch..
"an argument is not the point of contradiction"
"yes it is"
no it's not....."
some call it humour.
chris, they are taking away the wildlifes' habitat. their home, they die, where is the balance.
if they die of natural causes or fall to predators, that's balance.
i can't believe that it is a good attitude to think that it goes anyway, so what the ....
as i said before, there is a moral issue here as well

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63 Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Seriously, now from me thats a first, I really believe that the de-forestation of the rain forest's are the ecological issue that are worth battling against. The reason they are being destroyed is to produce farmland, yet western countries have more food than they can eat. This is where the balance is wrong and many species will suffer for it.
Consider the fact that there will be species, wonderful species, that will never be known by man - yet we will be the cause of their extinction.

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

27 Jun 2007 by wozelbeak

According to the 1995 United Nations Environment Programme Global Biodiversity Assessment, over 95 percent of all species that ever existed are now extinct.
are we responsible for that?
woz

I disagree with deforestation (despite what people think, as i mentioned earlier) but what i detest the most is the concept of PAYING for drinking water!

Im back baby!

I think im guilty of this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxY9rZwNGU

LOL!

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And heres one, especially for RedexRob!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39qdhbkTko4&NR=1

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Liz, its about time you learnt your limits, so post change to talk of fluffy kittens for liz then........................and I hope you walked to school........

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

LOL!

And no, because the school is about 2 miles away, and im knackered....
so I took the F111 that I pinched from Goodwood.....

Im back baby!

OOOOOOO look at your carbon footprint.........

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Mal

"Nobody's mention methane from cows yet! "

And what about all that meathane from cows then! enough to run a power station or two i'd say and all for a mcdonalds beefburger that's generally only half eaten and thrown on the pavement for some one in a sweeper, cherning out CO2 from the power unit to clear up and then when it's collected, transported to a landfill site were (I don't know if you have seen them) they sink ventilation pipes to vent of the methane caused by all the rotting rubbish.

I was astonished a couple of weeks ago when sitting in the local supermarket carpark in my car and waiting for my better half to put the trolley back in the trolley bay, opposite a mother changing the nappy on her youngling. no sooner had she finished the nappy was thrown under the car (Out of sight out of mind I suppose). and then jump in her car and drove off. Nice job for someone to pick that up! But then I can tell you that It isn't the only time I have noticed disposable nappy's just thrown away and even had to pick them up myself. YUK!

Cars and lorries - how many times have you heard on the radio that the M25 is gridlocked and this often isn't isolated. if you can imagine all the cars on just the M25 for the moment most sections have all four lanes with a full volume of traffic with just a car or two break between the next car and for the miles and miles that will take you around the whole system Clockwise and Anti clockwise _ How much fuel is in just those cars alone. now imagine the same on the M1 and then the M5, 3, 62, 20 if you could gather together all that fuel I think you can start to imagine how much we burn. It would be interesting to find out what the figure is of how much petrol, diesel is dispensed through the pump nation wide on a daily or weekly basis. Now of course we are just talking about Britain, Add America, Canada, China, France etc. etc. Mind boggling isn't it

Can I get off me box now?

Geography is everywhere

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63 Last edited 27 Jun 2007

My daughter has just informed me that she needs the computer!
So with Mikkala on the laptop and Henman on the box it's off to the pub for me, see you all another day, probably with a hangover.

p.s. I'll be walking if that save's the environment at all

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

Are u saying ive got big feet barry?!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace Last edited 27 Jun 2007

well i dont really know Liz, I havent had a chance to fully survey your body yet, your the only pin up girl we never seen 'properly' rofl

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

LOL!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Nifty Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Blimey , I go out and do an honest days work (guv) and all this...brew haha , all I can say is the biggest danger to our planet after China and the rain forest rapidly dissapearing must be people like this silly girl burning up hundreds of thousands of gallons of jet fuel to set up the new family home in America ,I suppose its really necessary to get those curtains from Italy or wherever then the furniture from Oslo etc etc , now her carbon footprint must be equivalent to her shoe collection X 10,0000 !

Its got to be purrrfect

copy the link i posted earlier, Rob, I posted it especially for you!

Im back baby!

27 Jun 2007 by Nifty Last edited 27 Jun 2007

and as for Micheal Jackson , I,m firmly with this fella , remember back to the awards ceremony !

Yep already done Liz but I,m all for fast women

(at the helm)

Its got to be purrrfect

27 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace Last edited 27 Jun 2007

No rob this is the biggest danger out there, look at all the air miles, running about and hot air this fool has spouted with no improvements, and he will be on full bull$%£t tour around the circuit now before he goes for el Presidente of the Nationalist State of Europe

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace Last edited 27 Jun 2007

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The guilty...................
With demand for energy leading to a surge in construction of coal-fired power stations, China’s production of CO2 was pushed to 6,200m tons of CO2 last year, compared with 5,800m tons from the US. .....
Liz, no wonder the sea is doing so well

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63 Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Well, Mikkala has gone to her boyfriends and there are repeats of Wimblebum on all night, so the pub is not required. Therefore I have been carrying out extensive research into global warming and I have found conclusive evidence that climate change is a fact.

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

27 Jun 2007 by mwood

Oi Steve have you been checking out the 'Pin Up Girls' washing line again!!

27 Jun 2007 by mickjm

What a load of old claptrap! Global Warming, Co2 footprints, environmentally friendly, 40% recycling targets, No more CFC's, Dreadful political reasoning based on financial gain thru' stealthily introduced catcrap tax upon an already overstretched personal financial constraint we are faced with, if I ride me bike to work(towing a 1 ton trailer) this world will improve and we'll all live happily ever after!!!

BUT IF WELSH FARMERS RUN THIER CARS ON COOKING OIL AND A BIT OF METHANOL MIX THEY GET SLAMMED, FINED MASSIVELY AND THEIR CARS CRUSHED, INSTEAD OF BEING PATTED ON THE BACK FOR USING THEIR INITIATIVE.
AND WHY?
BECAUSE THERES NO TAX ON THAT FUEL SO YOU CAN'T USE IT.
ITS POLITICAL HORSESHI-ITE ALL OF IT!!!

No Fork handles....Handles for forks!!

27 Jun 2007 by Steve63

Mick,
take the dog for a walk and calm down.

p.s. saw Tony Kv the other night, he is looking well and hasn't changed much, except he's fatter

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

27 Jun 2007 by wozelbeak

mickjm,

"BUT IF WELSH FARMERS RUN THIER CARS ON COOKING OIL AND A BIT OF METHANOL MIX THEY GET SLAMMED, FINED MASSIVELY AND THEIR CARS CRUSHED, INSTEAD OF BEING PATTED ON THE BACK FOR USING THEIR INITIATIVE.
AND WHY?"

you can buy carbon neutral fuel for 83p per litre, thats with tax. if people want to fill their car with cooking oil and not pay their taxes, they shouldn't be surprised if they get caught. i don't like the amount of tax i pay on fuel, but if i should be caught for evading the tax i should accept the punishment, and probably cry just a little as they crushed my bimmer..

27 Jun 2007 by Grassman2011

There are a few to many users of this site have not had much to do today, other than to burn useful energy by contributing.
If it is all our fault, why did'nt somebody think of that when the ice started melting, and qiuckly stop it. We would'nt be in this mess now, and there would'nt be another excuse to have to pay more tax.
Trust me, if Governments manage to turn this around, they will then want to tax us/ children of us for the clean air they breath. Bring on the sunshine, had more than enough rain now.

more than enough rain is one way to put it.
My poor old square can't hold any more - even a 5 minute shower leaves puddles now :(
Looking forward to seeing your place in August Gordon for the ladies twenty20.

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

27 Jun 2007 by Grassman2011

Thats if we are not floating in the river by then JL.

27 Jun 2007 by Nifty Last edited 27 Jun 2007

Note to the editor...was this the fastest growing thread ever recorded on PC ?

Its got to be purrrfect

27 Jun 2007 by Dave Last edited 27 Jun 2007

It may be the fastest growing thread Rob, but look at this link for some poingnant views.

http://www.pitchcare.com/message/message/12561

PS I'm not the Editor, that's Laurence's job these days.

Cheers,
Dave Saltman

28 Jun 2007 by chrismitchell

So! When they have this save the planet concert in London this year, are all our self riteous rock stars going to walk there? No, they will fly halfway around the planet and then travel in a fluel guzzling limo to give us a lecture on not doing what they are. The thousands of people attending will also be as guilty by driving or using trains and buses. Where is the sense in that?

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

28 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace

For anyone actually interested in the possibility of learning something or just to understand the alternative view there are some good and valid points on the earlier post Dave(bow down bow down) pointed out above.

I have decided overnight that it should not be called Climate Change, the current phase we are in should now be called Climate Instability.

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

28 Jun 2007 by kiwiturfie

I'll mention the methane from the cows....guess what our government tried to do a few months ago....

"NZ farmers reject methane tax -

New Zealand farmers have reacted angrily to a planned tax on the methane emissions of their sheep and cattle.

The New Zealand Government has announced that from next year, farmers will be charged 60 cents per cow and eight cents per sheep, to offset the cost of emissions to the environment.

The country produces fairly low levels of methane, but half of the total comes from livestock, and the fact that they're mostly fed on grass rather than grain makes for more methane."

Now I live the suburbs in the east of Auckland City and when I drive over the hill on the 3rd fairway and look south towards the rural areas all you see is a light mist. Look NW towards the city and you see a grey-brown murky fog.

Global warming is not the fault of livestock.....long may the cows fart for free!

28 Jun 2007 by chrismitchell

Yes Barry, I have read that thread before it makes perfect sense to me.
As for New Zealand trying to tax methane emissions, what were they going to do to help the enviroment with money raised? It's a bit like our goverment over here, green tax on flights! The plane is still going to fly, it will just cost the passenger more. Still they could always use the money to invade a foreign country that has vast stocks of oil..................Oh dear they already have, they will have to raise some money to fund it mmmmmmmmmmmmm better think up a new tax that the gullable will except, I know, global warming that should work.

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

Steve63
You mentioned about Tim Henman on tv, Andy Murry pulled out of the competition due to a hand injury, and he'll still progress further than that lame excuss of a tennis player.

Oh Yeah This site is about global warming, Just for all you guy's i did ma bit last night, i left the heating on all last night and opened every window, Ah twas nice, however i didn't like the sounds of my water taps running overnight. Thank god i'm not on a meter!!!
Liz there must be a Micheal Jackson song on how crap Tim Henman is!!

28 Jun 2007 by rooter

here is one of the queens men, a lord of the realm, really doing his bit for GLOBAL WARMING.

could we all do this???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbaGkTXB4TI

liz, on a serious note, could you please tell us a bit about you fun run on the weekend, i know you're doing it for charity, so could you please let us all know.

28 Jun 2007 by rooter

i don't know much about new zealand, but isn't there more sheep than people there???

28 Jun 2007 by rooter

ivor, get off the tigers' back. how boring would wimbledon be without henmania??
it's hilarious when he bombs out when it really matters.
c'mon tiger!!!

28 Jun 2007 by rooter

and another knight!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqbCoNCNKm8&mode=related&search=

Yeah Tiger Tim, ranked 74th in the world, seriously i think it's time he quit. He was at his peak when he was ranked 71st!!!
So what are the british really competative in??? Not Rugby, Not Cricket and certainly not that poofy sport they play at Wembley!! (football), 1966 world champs and now how many times in this years RUGBY world cup are we gonna here that England won the Last world cup. My bet will be over 500 times. Just think how much wasted electricity will be used on the Biased Dewi morris and Stuart Barnes Saying how Great English rugby is!!!
World champs for a day.

For a nation of Drunks Were not even good at Darts!!!

28 Jun 2007 by chrismitchell

Lewis Hamilton might prove you wrong about out sporting prowess!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

He's not a world champion yet, he's won 3 races. And he shouldn't been allowed to drive those fossel fuel consuming, Co2 spewing machines in this day and age!! Doesn't he care about our children!!! The F1 drivers should be using Solar Powered Cars or the H2o equivilent!!! or Orbital engines!!! GO GREENPEACE!!! we love ya

Can I blame global warming for the transit driver who drove into me at a roundabout last night and completely trashed my dads clio?!
Total write off, and the other driver?
Local nursery
Insured by?
Guess who???!!!

NFU

Wont hold my breath for the payout then

Im back baby!

28 Jun 2007 by mwood

Liz are you sure you are able to type with that wiplash injury and the damage to your hands and arms???

No, ive just got internal bruising to my left side from the seatbelt. Bloody annoyed actually, because the other guy was at fault, but we both got breathalysed at the scene and both got production orders for the vehicular documents, and ive had to go to the doctors this a.m to get clearance to run my 10 k on sunday.

GRRR

Im back baby!

28 Jun 2007 by rooter Last edited 28 Jun 2007

was he driving a british car, to go with his "buy british beef, buy british produce", etc????

FORD TRANSIT

Sign written with offending nursery's details.

and i believe its british grown peppers, rather than beef that said nursery produce.....

Im back baby!

28 Jun 2007 by rooter

liz, can you post some details about your fun run on the w'end. hope you're ok

you can find details at:
http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/events/viewevent.asp?sp=&v=1&EN=34595

Im ok, just brusing..to tissue and ego.
Thank you xx

Im back baby!

btw, nothing "fun" about my first 10k

Im back baby!

I'm No 200 yippee

LOL!

Im back baby!

Hey i was reading through some old threads earlier, what ever happened to that SHARKBITE person??? I found some of the comments quite funny!!! He would of loved this thread!! Loads of usful advice would of been passed onto all of us!!!

LOL!

Im back baby!

28 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace

Having been busy today I must say how disapointed I am at the recent content, no passionate discussion, no hint of slander, just some dodgy woman driver going the wrong way on a roundabout.......DONT YOU KNOW YOUR PLACE WOMAN...(WINK)

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

28 Jun 2007 by Nifty Last edited 28 Jun 2007

"thats the drivers door she,s getting in , thats the wrong one , oh dear !" ....glad to hear your ok Liz , watch out for white van men everywhere guys and girls , especially ones with unoriginal writing in the grime " I wish my wife was as dirty as this van" lol...almost , anyhow less frequent vehicle washing saves energy ? right ? looks rubbish though..

Its got to be purrrfect

Hey one good thing, i hear Tim Henman is out of wimbledon TF. Apparently he was worried about this global warming thing that everyone's ranting on about.
He seemed to think that if he went out in the early stages then all of England wouldn't tune in their TV's to watch him play, Thus saving on electricity.
I Like Tim Now!!!! He rules

Yes, I do know my place, its in control of all of you!

Knew i shouldnt have put that video up!

Im back baby!

28 Jun 2007 by lizoconnor Last edited 28 Jun 2007

All together now...
"oooooo its gonna cost ya"

Im back baby!

In the background is the laguna i own, but that is waiting to go to scrappy after last "incident" when wind blew up the bonnet, and buckelled it beyond repair....

Yes, i know how bad this looks!
Im a good driver, honest!

Im back baby!

28 Jun 2007 by Barry Pace

How come this serious post has turned into the:
Hi I'm Liz post..........................................................................

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

28 Jun 2007 by Torch

Talking of messages scrawled on vans, I saw the unoriginal "I wish my wife was this dirty".

I just wonder if he saw what his colleagues had written underneath -----"She is with your mates".

Good job you can't write anything on the back of a dirty pushbike.

The answer is None more black.

28 Jun 2007 by ticky21

Company logo,s on vans..........hows about this one on a builders van in Southall, West London...(for those of you not familiar its a big asian community)

"You have tried the cowboys , now try the indians"

Ticky supports British farmers...!!

28 Jun 2007 by ticky21

just to back up Barry,s statement...Re Liz....More to the point Liz, what ARE you doing out of the kitchen???...LOL.....dont worry ive just copped a right hook from Mrs. Ticky she was lookin over my shoulder when i typed this...

Ticky supports British farmers...!!

28 Jun 2007 by ticky21

with all this global warming cobblers and recent floods etc...why dont Sport england take advantage of the situation and send a team or two to yorkshire and get an olympic kayaking squad together, you know in all that fast moving water, or are we sending the same four blokes from boscastle in the white transit again

Ticky supports British farmers...!!

29 Jun 2007 by panch

south yorkshire closed for the forseeable future. not much fun living in the middle of the largest inland lake in the northern hemisphere. wish that ice age would hurry up i really like the snow, just dont eat the yellow variety!

29 Jun 2007 by panch

meant inland sea!!

3 Jul 2007 by rooter

http://www.pitchcare.com/magazine/article/4312

4 Jul 2007 by rooter

sorry guys, i just had to do it.
it's no fun though, being escorted out of pitchcare towers!!

4 Jul 2007 by lizoconnor

Careful where you park.....

Im back baby!

4 Jul 2007 by lizoconnor

Husband must have come home....

Im back baby!

4 Jul 2007 by mickjm

Is there a hole in the wall near his waste??? How else is he holding on???

No Fork handles....Handles for forks!!

4 Jul 2007 by Steve63

This was the gentleman earlier in the evening.

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

5 Jul 2007 by rooter

liz, my advice to you.
don't park near the (depleted) amozon rainforest.

6 Jul 2007 by Andy Matthews

I have only just got my home internet connection back after 2 weeks and have to say that a thread with 223 responses is some effort, my own opinion is as many of you have said, that global warming is a lot of scare mongering so the powers that be can tax us for it.

I wonder if some 15,000 years ago or whenever the last ice age kicked in, the inhabitants of planet Earth were sat looking out of their caves and saying "I told you if you kept cutting down trees and building fires there'd be trouble.

9 Jul 2007 by Yetanotherdave

Sorry guy's i had to bring this back up.
I was watching my annual news update when i saw that Boeing have brought out a new improved plane, with less feul consumption. (Great i thought, this would suit all you weirdo's who believe in Global Warming!!) Then Cue this Ucking Fidiot, who deciedes to suggest that we should pay tax on our flights. (what an ****, this government sucks, tax to save global warming!!!)
These people should be taxed for talking *****!!! Instead of fuel tax why not create a Talking ***** tax.
This country would be the wealthiest country in Europe!!

9 Jul 2007 by Nifty

note to the ed (again).. one eyebrow raised emoticon needed

Its got to be purrrfect

10 Jul 2007 by jlawrence

ivor - I agree. Adding extra tax to things won't change anything at all - it just simply makes it more expensive to fly somewhere. Big wow, people will still fly and I have zero faith that any government will put the taxes collected into anything useful.

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

10 Jul 2007 by chrismitchell

It gets even better when you see that some councils are doubling the cost of a parking space outside your house if you drive a 4x4! So what do you do? Just drive around looking for a cheaper place to park? That should help global warming alright! Before long there will be a tax on the compost heap as it emits CO2!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

10 Jul 2007 by rooter

well everyone,
global warming is real, as is climate change.
we are merely speeding it up.
if you don't like the taxes, take it up with your local member, but, don't blame global warming for your extra tax.
we are to blame for that.

10 Jul 2007 by chrismitchell

Don't think so rooter. Man and his machines are but a mere drop in the ocean in terms of the planet Earth. You need to look at the Sun and the oceans for your answer.

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

10 Jul 2007 by rooter

i know this chris,
but do you think, for example, the amount of toxins we put into our earth, and the water system, helps?
we put toxins into our body, ie alcohol, nicotine, etc. it doesn't do us any good, does it?
man is not solely to blame for gw, or climate change, but we don't help it. we do affect it though.

10 Jul 2007 by chrismitchell

We add nothing to the Earth and we take nothing away. We are just redistributing what is here anyway. The fossil fuels are stored up carbon taken from the atmosphere in the first place. All we are doing is putting them back from whence they came.

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

10 Jul 2007 by Grassman2011

Extra income tax never seems to correct anything anyway.

10 Jul 2007 by rooter

%$ck the tax argument.
would you eat a fish caught in a river by an industrial estate??
everything has its place...we ar redistributing the *rap

10 Jul 2007 by Grassman2011

I get out now, but more often than not, i would not know where my fish came from, but sure as eggs are eggs, i would redistribute it.
By By.

10 Jul 2007 by Steve63

You cannot destroy energy, only change its form. Everything that we use, burn, eat and destroy is reformed in a different format.
Mount Helena in one day put out more crap into the atmosphere than gosh knows how many fossil burning planes and there are eruptions happening around the ring of fire every minute of the day.
I have said it before, we are but an infestation, a parasite on the planet Earth, and when we have have nuked our asses off the world, it will be so much a better place.
We are just so goddamn arrogant to assume that our ****** exsistance means a damn thing in the grand scheme of things.
If the planets existance was a 24 hour clock mankind would represent a mere 4 seconds, the shittiest 4 seconds of its 4.5 Billion years.

Regards

Steve

Don't talk to me about Contractors Wonka, I am one myself......

10 Jul 2007 by wozelbeak

Wow Steve,
are you taking medication, and did you forget to take some?

and when we have have nuked our asses off the world, it will be so much a better place.

who would the world be a better place for?

cheer up steve .
woz

10 Jul 2007 by Neil Dixon

I bet Steve would like to Nuke the people who put the ruts in his park!!

10 Jul 2007 by Yetanotherdave

Rooter i don't care where my fish come from, but i know when i finish with them they come out of my A"""e. Just like all the global warming crap you go on about.

I wish we were going into a global warming stage so our winters wouldn't be so BLOODY cold.
Surely with all this crap weather we're having, shouldn't it be called Global Colding??? I don't see no heat??

10 Jul 2007 by ticky21

well.surprising as it may seem, ive been talking to my mate who i farm contract with, and we are looking at combining some wheat in a fortnights time....yep i was surprised as well,

Ticky supports British farmers...!!

10 Jul 2007 by jlawrence

Ivor - believe it or not around the 1970's sort of time there was talk about global cooling :)

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

10 Jul 2007 by Yetanotherdave

My point exactly, It’s all just scare mongering Crap. If you listen to half of what people say, they all just contradict themselves all the time.
It's all so the government can continue to rob us blind.

10 Jul 2007 by Nifty Last edited 10 Jul 2007

and what I find hard to understand..so called free thinking and usually rebelious musicians and artists are actually drawn into it and volunteer their services some flying thousands of miles to help "save the planet"....hello ?, I see hypocrisy is alive and well !

Its got to be purrrfect

11 Jul 2007 by Yetanotherdave

yeah and they've all flown in on private Jets. So like i said above about the G8 summit, why don't they cycle there!!!!

11 Jul 2007 by chrismitchell Last edited 11 Jul 2007

Whatever did happen to acid rain? It was supposed to be caused by fossil fuels and we are using more now than ever! I suspect the goverment want us to go nuclear so we are self sufficient and what better way than to convince all the doubters that it is fossil fuel causing global warming.

And as for rock stars telling us not to do what they do all the time. As Rob says hypocrisy is alive and well!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

11 Jul 2007 by Duff

As for the recent concerts dubbed "Live Earth", and the pop stars jetting all over the place, I interpret it this way.
As I am a gambler, I was once told that you have to speculate to accumulate.
ie, Be prepared to lose a little to gain alot.
That's what has happened here. I'm not sure about the power sources at the different venues etc, but I did see they were renewable sources.
What these gigs were aiming for was to raise awareness, as do all the documentaries etc we see on tv, articles in papers, etc.
I don't think it's all crap, I certainly don't want to eat chemically infected fish, or for my kids to be born with two heads. I do my bit, at home and in the job. I also have to use alot of energy through electricity, use alot of water, etc. Do I feel good about it? Not really. All I try to refrain from is wasting energy, being over zealous with chemical treatments and be clever with the resources, natural and otherwise, that I use.
As for nukes, they live deep in the ground. We bring them out, contort them, so, where do we put the waste??
Not in my backyard, but in whose?? Ask the people in Hiroshima, Chernobyl, and the aboriginals in Central Australia, back in the 50's and 60's.
There's a place in Kakadu National Park, in Northern Australia, abundant in the yellowcake, (uranium). 100,000's of years ago, the aboriginals passed on through the elders that these mountains should never be disturbed, in fear of a Vicious Beast being unleashed. So what does the bloody Liberal Government want to do to this Natural Wonder of the World??
You guessed it. Mine the *astard.
Now we await the vicious beast.

11 Jul 2007 by lizoconnor

£300 for a stool made out of recycled seatbelts.
£200 for a chair made out of recycled bottles

Hummm....seems to me that "global warming" is nothing but a money making scam

17p for a tescos value lightbulb
vs
£3 for an "energy efficient" lightbulb.
Supposed to last longer.
Not that ive ever noticed!

Im back baby!

11 Jul 2007 by Duff

Liz,
"The garden's full of furniture, the house is full of plants".
Maybe that's the designer stuff for the yuppies.
It's not ALL about profit.
Sounds like (recycled) rubbish to me though.

19 Jul 2007 by rooter

i see what you're saying the duff. but it's all a bit weird, those comments.

20 Jul 2007 by Henk Vlug

I did not read all messages because of my high season but I may add that the world population is 3 times too high and that causes trouble with the health of our planet. Let us produce less children and ask our economists how to tackle the lesser growth of economy and the temporarily old age group problems which will occur after uneven distribution of ages.

20 Jul 2007 by mickjm

If the worlds population is 3 x too high where are the figures laid down which clarify that? When Bobby boy came down off mount Etna with the 10 commandments was there a p.s. saying the Earths population should be X billion? I doubt it.
Anyway, chop off knobs, plug up women, shoot old biddies and the worlds fixed. HOW DID WE MISS THAT?

No Fork handles....Handles for forks!!

20 Jul 2007 by Yetanotherdave

Careful mickjm, this frigging government of ours will ty to tax us on children b4 long, Britain sucks. Weather is pishe and the government are a robbing bunch of co*ks.
Anybody got any jobs going abroad?

21 Jul 2007 by wozelbeak

they are looking for a new green keeper here:
http://www.killsometime.com/pictures/images/GatorGolf.jpg
woz

21 Jul 2007 by Leeboy

These should keep you all going in this ever so wet weather......

http://www.luckykazoo.com/media/2005/03/cillit-bang-remix.html

http://www.luckykazoo.com/media/2005/03/e-sure-remix.html

21 Jul 2007 by Nifty Last edited 22 Jul 2007

One anti government quote I heard last week "Don,t even dare ask me to switch off my mobile phone charger when you are prepared to commit the resources of our country to an undemocratic decision to go to war which will divide the country and we have absolutely no chance of winning"

Kind of sums things up don,t you think ?

Its got to be purrrfect

22 Jul 2007 by Mal

17p for a tescos value lightbulb
vs
£3 for an "energy efficient" lightbulb.
Supposed to last longer.
Not that ive ever noticed!

I have liz when the bulbs first came on to the market you may recalll that they used to cost around the £15.00 mark and the they dropped to around £8.00 when that happened I made a concious decision to change over to the more energy efficient light bulbs Not all at once I might add but every time I went shopping I bought one. Before long my whole house was fitted with them. I found it very noticable that my electricity bill were lower by upto £20 a quarter cheeper and I'm still using the same bulbs 10 years on. Good investment I'd say so. You need to try it before you knock it. Oh and if your living in a bedsit you probably won't notice it so much but in a house most likely.

Geography is everywhere

22 Jul 2007 by Yetanotherdave

Wozelbeak, so what' was that guy's handicap??? Suppose it's the lack of a body now Hey!!

23 Jul 2007 by jlawrence

Mal - I agree. Without any doubt if you change to the fluorescent type lights you should see a lower electricity bill. Forgetting that I need to change my whole automation system I wish they'd design the low energy bulbs so that they actually fitted in the lights without hanging out of the end of the shades - ie make the damn things the same physical size as a 'normal' bulb.

Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

23 Jul 2007 by lizoconnor

Mal- ive bought these bulbs, and the only thing i noticed is that they blew after the same length of time that the tescos value ones did. I never noticed any change in my electricity consumption. Im on a key meter not a bill, so maybe there would be a difference if i was on a bill, but since im not, im not paying extra for the bulbs

Im back baby!

23 Jul 2007 by Mal

Fair enough Liz (Whatever Lights your candle. By all means do as you find.) The ones I bought probably more expensive at the time and are the Philips brand and in my case found to be reliably good. I bought tescos brand ones before now for my shed and undercroft not thinking they warrant the more expesive type but guess what. I don't think any of them lasted beyond 4 to 6 months. so I gave in and and treated the shed to one as well as the undercroft.

Geography is everywhere

1 Aug 2007 by Barry Pace

How farcical................ caught end of a report the weekend obviously planned weeks ago, on the Norfolk Broads where 'concerned' reporter was asking a 'Climate Change Advisor' on how the broads would be effected by the continual wet Winters and dry Summers and how would this effect the wildlife and flora etc just 5 seconds after discussing with someone the effects of the floods...........all floating about on a boat......... oh how I laughed..... So are they saying that this years floods are just one offs and that the previous 2 years of dry are what we have got forever ..........until the next freaky flood lol
The weather has since the first dawn been freaky and will still be freaky until the day the sun dies........................................

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

1 Aug 2007 by Nifty

I think you,ve nailed it Barry , we live in a time of great freaky-ness and probably always have done...

Its got to be purrrfect

1 Aug 2007 by lizoconnor

I vote we all go and c Evan Almighty as a pitchcare outing! LOL might tell us all how to deal with the floods of the future!
All joking aside, I think the people running this country have some lessons to learn from India. I saw Monsoon Railway on BBC1 the other night, and I thought it was amazing how they repaired a bridge in less than the four days the ministry in Delhi gave them....
and all without any machinery...so no call for you in India then Rob!
LOL

Im back baby!

One of my members has voiced concern over a few bits of ragwort that has popped up in the deep rough. He feels that we should remove them. I had to point out that in this time of global warming and climate change that in fact ragwort was very enviromentaly friendly. You see, when ragwort dries out it becomes palatable to horses. If they eat enough of it they die. Not good for the horse but great for the enviroment. No more massive queues of slow moving traffic stuck behind a gas guzzling horse box. Reduced methane emissions from horses bottoms but also the ragwort was absorbing CO2 while it grew. So the answer is stop interferring with nature it will sort itself out!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

10 Aug 2007 by Barry Pace

ROFL..... sounds like the best pro-active inactivity scheme for the environment for ages......

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

Excellent Chris - expect a reply from Liz!!!

All we have to do now is sort out caravans, juggernauts and middle lane hoggers and we are sorted

10 Aug 2007 by Loammeister

Classical GOGGA rersponse from Peter

Beware the WAGGA backlash from Pin Up girl Liz

The light at the end of the tunnel is not a train

10 Aug 2007 by chrismitchell Last edited 10 Aug 2007

I wonder if you can eat them after they have died of ragwort poisoning? If one could it would help to allieviate the meat shortage due to foot and mouth. It also could be sourced localy thus reducing the juggernaughts on the road shifting meat around the country. No trucks taking them to the slaughter house because they are already dead It's all starting to come together now. Ragwort should be made our national emblem!!

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

I think we are on to something

10 Aug 2007 by Barry Pace

Excellent twist to the thread, my jaw aches..........................
Peter, can we see Ragwort seed in the pitchcare shop soon?

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

I just want to make one point perfectly clear. I might be accused in some quarters not liking horses. This could not be farther from the truth. I love horses, especialy with a nice salad and a baked spud.

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

10 Aug 2007 by Barry Pace

PMSL

Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!

A quick word for Lizzie. This is not my real name. I do not live in any part of sussex in fact my name is yukuk and I live on the northen tip of Alaska in an igloo selling stuffed life sized welsh cobs.

yukuk

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

10 Aug 2007 by lizoconnor

LOL!
Shame on you Chris!

My sisters are always moaning about how my mum can claim to be a horse lover, since she has eaten horse when in Germany!

Now get outside and get rid of the damned ragwort!

Not that Defra will say anything if you dont. And even if they could be a**ed to do so, i think they a bit pre occupied at Guildford at the moment......

Im back baby!

Yes, I might be suffering from a bit of foot in mouth desease! Nochange really. Bet your mum says it was delicious, it was the last time I had it.

Chris

You will never see a statue in honour of a committee.

10 Aug 2007 by lizoconnor

LOL @ Foot IN mouth!

You gonna blame pirbright too?!

Im back baby!

In defence of Pitchcare there is a fairly level headed article on Ragwort in the next magazine.

No mention of caravans though.

I hear Practical Caravan is a good mag.

10 Aug 2007 by Nifty Last edited 10 Aug 2007

and best accomponied by Diesel Car Monthly no doubt ? can,t wait to get down to the Newsagent...

vital bedtime reading material !

ps Surely older GOGGA members who enjoyed the sixties should have this in the middle of their GOGGA badge...

Its got to be purrrfect

Sorry Rob, don't know what you are talking about ... man

10 Aug 2007 by Mal

I would Confiscate it and burn it if I were you

Geography is everywhere

Do we cook the horse in the pot? .... man

For the smaller eater try Shetland Pony

10 Aug 2007 by Nifty Last edited 10 Aug 2007

HAAKOGGA....the High As A Kite Old Greenkeepers and Groundsmans Association ? come on Peter , do your thing with the badge , Maaann...

Its got to be purrrfect