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Number7
Posted 5 Jul 2008
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Can anyone recommend a set of vibrating rollers? Looking to purchase a set for my greens mower. I’ve had the greentech ones on demo and was impressed with the 5 settings to change the level of vibration.
I heard of people having problems with turf works vibro rollers, has anyone had problems with either the greentech or turf works rollers.
I’ve also seen an advert in the BIGGA magazine for the TM system vibrating rollers. Can anyone comment on them as I’ve never seen them before.

Thanks in advance

Andy
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Sumomosr
Posted 5 Jul 2008
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Never heard of problems with TurfWorks and you should get a demo from them.

Excellent units and back-up imo.

Try before you buy...
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chrismitchell
Posted 6 Jul 2008
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Green is not necessarily beautiful.

Andy. I have tried both the Turfworks and the Greentech rollers and I can say the Greentech rollers are a country mile ahead of the Turfmech ones. They are more solid and they help vibrate dressing into the sward. The Turmec ones do the opposite. They vibrate the dressing up to the surface. Having used both for a week back to back I imediately ordered the Greentech ones. That was a year ago and I am still impressed with them. Certainly worth taking Somo's advice and getting a demo for a week.

Chris
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Sumomosr
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Chris, TurfMec(h) and TurfWorks... Not the same...

Which didn't you like?
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chrismitchell
Posted 7 Jul 2008 Last edited: 7 Jul 2008
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Green is not necessarily beautiful.

Sorry Sumo, I meant Turfworks. The shiny stainless steel ones. They just brought all the dressing to the surface. If the grass was a bit damp it looked like someone had cut the green with the box off.

Chris
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Sumomosr
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Ok Thanks for clarifying Chris.

Richard Campey will be interested in the feedback of your experience.

Can't say I've seen a result as you describe but every course is different. (As we all know). And that sounds pretty horrible.

I wonder if it depends on the dressing. Are you dusting lightly or heavily topdressing before using rollers?

One thing though - the Members are impressed with the stainless steel - adds a bit of 'Bling' to the course. .
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chrismitchell
Posted 7 Jul 2008
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Green is not necessarily beautiful.

Sumo, interestingly I have spoken to a few other green keepers about the problem with the Turfwoks roller and they say much the same. The big difference between the two types is, the turfworks, has two relatively small diameter rollers with a vibro unit attached to the main frame of the rollers. The Green tech has a much larger diameter roller with the vibro unit inside the roller. In operation if one stands next to the machine as it passes while rolling, you can feel the Greentec units vibrating the ground whereas the Turfworks just rattles along the top. The Stimp meter showes very little difference after the Turfworks but between 6" and a foot after one pass of the Greentec units. It can be, as has been said many times, horses for courses.
Regards dressing. Roughly a kilo to a metre with kiln dried dressing well matted in then rolled the following day.

Chris
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Eddy21
Posted 7 Jul 2008
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Andy,

Hope you are well,

At my previous club in Lancashire we had a set of the the Turfworks vibratory rollers and personally I thought they were ok.
The only problem we had was that they were purchased without the rear roller brushes and used to leave debris on the greens meaning alot of swishing after use (this could be a pain especially with a small team)
I too have seen the Greentech rollers in action and to be honest with you there is not much of a difference, the plus side with the Greentech rollers like Chris says is that they have a large diameter roller fitted but on the other hand the frames of the Turfworks will take extra appliances such as the star slitter, V cut reels etc etc.
Much of a muchness really in my opinion, I never used either set for long enough to comment on reliability for you.
At my new club we have 2 Trueturf solid rollers and they seem a fantastic machine.
Here is the link so you can have a look for yourself:

http://www.truturf.com/prod_gr11000c.htm

Regards Dave Edmondson
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jonny walker
Posted 16 Jul 2008
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got to say andy the greentech kiddies are the ones to go for not only are they strong and settable as you described earlier. they also come with a wopping warrantee and a godd support network .
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Steven Hemsley
Posted 16 Jul 2008
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I have tried both Greentec and Turfworks and went for the latter. I thought the greentecs were bulky, heavy to lift and on our greens didn't get a great response. The Turfworks worked the sand (fairly light dustings) in well although if damp did leave a little mess. Ok for speed tho.
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jonny walker
Posted 2 Aug 2008
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do you know the warranty periods on all of the products listed above seems that greentek might be three years and that sounds good if it is true
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alexmac
Posted 20 Aug 2008
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Hi Dave,

How did you find the transition from triplex rollers to a ride on roller?

We currently have a ride on roller on demo and it is difficult to get used to, maybe a little more time will help.

Also it takes quite a long time to roll the greens. How long do you find it takes on yours?

Regards

Alex
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Rob Goodes
Posted 20 Aug 2008
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How do greenkeepers earn a living!!! ;-)

A vibrating Roller system works by generating vibration through an offset weights these are placed on a rotating shaft. As the shaft rotates, energy is transferred back and forth from one side of the shaft to the other; it is this alternating shift in weight that creates the vibration.

Turfworks vibrate at an extremely high frequency and they roll off two rollers instead of the one like the thatch away unit. The rollers are 60mm in diameter both front and back.

You will find Thatch Away units leave a surface that isn't as true as the Turfworks unit leaves. The one drum roller on Thatch Away leaves a lot duller frequency in its vibrations.

A higher frequency is what you need as it means the rolling is done with a much greater effect. You can feel the Turfworks from over 10m away. The stint metre test you mentioned has been done many times. You would find that as the day goes on the speed on the greens rolled with Turfworks gets even quicker. This is an effect from the higher frequency dual rollers. Turfworks are also designed for day to day use.

Thatch away 's dull lower frequency can have a detramentle effect on the green as in compaction. They are not designed to be used as often as the multi cassette Turfworks.

The sand problem you mentioned can happen with any vibration roller, not just Turfworks. I gather you weren't using the vibration brush that comes with the Turfworks unit? These are designed with 1 purpose in mind and that is two rub sand into the profile after topdressing. So if you contacted your dealer they would help you out with your easily solved problem.

The cost saving aspect of Turfworks is also there as you don't need to purchase separate cassette maintenance system
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justanothersuper
Posted 20 Aug 2008 Last edited: 20 Aug 2008
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In response to queries regarding ride-on rolling.

Transition from triplex rolling does take a little time, 2-3 weeks, but it is well worth the effort. Once operator proficiency is acheived the ride-on roller job can be completed in around the same time as triple rolling. Maybe 20% longer at most. The results acheived however are far superior, increase in ball roll is around double that of triple rollers and surface true-ness gained is far superior, results seem to last longer also.

With no vibration I feel there is less danger of any compaction occurring. Studies in the U.S suggest lightweight rolling can be carried out up to 4 times per week for up to three months without detriment to the turf.

I have had both sets of vibrating rollers on extended demo and have owned three types of ride-on rollers over the years and it is clear to me the difference is like night and day.

Ride-on rollers every time.
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