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butcher9
Posted 8 Aug 2008
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Is a goalkeeper permitted to heel mark the centre of the goals on the 6 yard box and the goal widths on the 18 yard box.

Asi white lined these markings last season and was asked to remove them by the referee. After which the goalkeeper heel marked the lines.

Should the goalkeeper be penalised for heel marking?
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Barry Pace
Posted 8 Aug 2008 Last edited: 8 Aug 2008
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Simple answer..............NO hes not allowed.! ref should card him for Unsporting behaviour.

Below is a from an unofficial ref questions site but is exactly as the rules are taught.

Question 16: A goalkeeper was seen to be making marks with his boot along the centre of his penalty area. Is this allowed, and what action should the Referee take?

Answer 16: Unauthorised markings are not allowed on the field of play. If the markings were made before the start of play, the Referee could caution the player for unsporting behaviour. If the marks are made during play, then the Referee could caution the goalkeeper when the ball next goes out of play. It is not permitted to have additional lines on the field of play for the benefit of the goalkeeper. There was a time in the 1980's when goalkeepers always marked the field of play by scraping their boot down along the middle length of the penalty areas, to give them an idea of the centre of the goal when they challenged for the oncoming ball - but this habit has now thankfully stopped.

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richard lamb
Posted 8 Aug 2008
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yeah your right barry i sat my ref test bout 6 months ago and thats one of the first questions on the paper !
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Aladdin
Posted 8 Aug 2008
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

I've always understood it to be a bookable offence
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dave r-b
Posted 8 Aug 2008
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im now an ex groundsman but hey old habits die hard

the only problem is, in am football the refs referee from the centre circle and cant see that far....
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veifh
Posted 9 Aug 2008
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the curiosest things as is....

We always get asked to remove them but we mark them anyway because if you don't the goalkeepers dig a big trench down the middle of the 18 and 6 yd lines and the referees usually do nothing to stop them.
I've never had a referee return on Monday morning to help me repair the damage - when they do I'll stop marking the centre of each line.
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Andrew Cox
Posted 9 Aug 2008
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I used to put small white lines on the edge of the 6 yard box to prevent the keeper from marking.
During one game the opposition fans saw the markings and thought they were there to help our forwards target themselves in front of goal. They then spent the first half trying to attract the refferee and linesman's attention to the lines to try and get the game stopped. Also one of their own teams officials then made an official complaint at half time, and said he would take it up with the league after the game.
My chairman at the time tried to explain what the purpose of the markings were but they wouldn't have it, believing they were the victims of the biggest conspiracy since the death of Princess Diana.
The team in question was Bedford Town so if you're expecting to play them this year and you mark lines on the 6 yard box, watch out because they get a little bit over-excited and may throw all their toys out of the pram.
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mr wood
Posted 9 Aug 2008
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as a goalkeeper myself i have been known to do theses marks but was told onlyto do it when the ref isnt looking as you can get cautioned for it.

as a groundsman (volunteering) its the worse thing to do having scraps down on the lines etc but i think its just one of those things that happen
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neil thompson
Posted 10 Aug 2008
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can any one tell me why a lot of goal keepers have to make
a divet on the six yard line when taking a goal kick is it because ther not good enough to play outside and can not kick a ball properley ?
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Aladdin
Posted 10 Aug 2008
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

Another bugbear!!!

I get fed up with 'em kicking seven bells out of the goalposts!!!
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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 10 Aug 2008
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For £5 get some white rope
£5 for 4 electric fence posts

corden your goal area off you can do more damage in the warm up than in the game.
After every game just spread a hand full of seed in the area. Although my pitch is new in the 7 games ive had theres no scuff marks anywhere be tough with ur players and the opposition
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AndyGroundo
Posted 10 Aug 2008
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Very rare in the professional game these days.

We had one last season.

We found his markings during half time divoting.

When the teams came out for the second half we stood behind his goal to keep an eye on him. While the lino was checking the nets the keeper was doing his marks. We shouted at the keeper and told the lino. The lino did not know the rules as he just shrugged his shoulders.

I have ask several keepers why some feel a need to mark a pitch and they all answered the same. If someone is shooting a ball at you, you are not going to be looking at the ground for a mark. Others have said you already have the pen spot and the cut of the grass as markings.
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kiwiturfie
Posted 11 Aug 2008
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Seems funny that it is quite an offence in football but your allowed to mark middle stump with a massive rut in cricket....
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Charles Johnson
Posted 12 Aug 2008
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But equally annoying ! ... when the wicket keeper, who is standing up, drags two huge deep lines straight back from off and leg stump, in case he gets lost in the inches between himself and the wicket !
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Minormorris64
Posted 12 Aug 2008
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What goes around, comes around

We even had someone who was umpiring a match and I could not believe it when he started marking his position at both ends by scraping marks and different ones for the different bowlers, and some of our younger players insist on marking their fielding position on the outfield !!
Perhaps I should make them do the repairs
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butcher9
Posted 12 Aug 2008
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Thanks everyone for the reply to "ILLEGAL MARKINGS" I have now put a notice up in the officials changing rooms & intend to supply the goalkeepers with a can of white spray paint. Hopefully I won't have anymore trenches to fill in. Good Idea or not ??????
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Four Oaks
Posted 12 Aug 2008
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Presentation is the name of the game.

Just hope you don't have a budding Banksey one week
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Aladdin
Posted 16 Aug 2008
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

Saint, where did you get your gear from?
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Leeboy
Posted 16 Aug 2008
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Saint is in a rare situation where he,like us, can mark a line off the pitch behind the goal line for the keepers to use and abuse. We have a new goalie coach who will use the portable for up to ten minutes well off the pitch, do a few crosses and shots in the main goal then take the sub keeper back in the portables for more training, although it is early days it is by far the best warm up use by the keepers we have ever had than with previous goalie coaches, though it is early days yet and that could easily change.
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Aladdin
Posted 16 Aug 2008
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

I see what you mean, Lee. I plan on doing some repairs to the goalmouths tomorrow (don't ask!!) and I was wondering, mainly, where I could get these electric(?) fence posts from.

I don't mind the 'keepers doing a warm up on the pitch - within reason - but away from the goalmouths. Especially in light of my planned repairs.
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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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Hi aladdin sorry been very busy over the weekend havnt had time to come on ere. you can the fence posts from any aggriculture shop. i must admit our keeper coach is the son of malcom webster whose dad is at southampton fc. Marvin johnson who is our manager is very hot on protecting the pitch he made a fine any1 court in the goalmouths 10pnd fine.

Opposition are very good aswell we have had 7 games now 2 of them heavy down poors and only the slightest marks approach them in a nice proffesional manner they will respect you.
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EHU Mission Control
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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The future is bright, the future is EHU !

Hi all
Its great to see that some people appreciate the hard work that goes into providing a quality surface throughout the whole of the playing surface.

Can I ask the question

" what can I do if security is under par and the local community does not respect the facilities we provide"

having spent considerable amount of money on machinery and materials in the close season!

do not forget this is Liverpool 'Posh Part' we are talking about, so shooting as already been suggested

or is it the same all over the UK
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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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Its the same all over mate my full time job is on local authority maintaining 24 pitches, goalposts are usually wrecked most weekends and kids think its funny to ride motor cross bikes and do donuts over pitchs
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EHU Mission Control
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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The future is bright, the future is EHU !

You have my sympathy saint, but mines within so called secured grounds of a Uninversity ?
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chucky
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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No wonder I'm Mr Grumpy!

Saint I have the upmost respect for you as we sort of sing from the same hymn sheet. Full time council work and part time footy.

Three weeks ago my pitch was looking pretty good. An arguement forced me into me having a week off to cool down. Having not had a break as such for 7 years. Upon returning I was playing catch up as it were. In my time away we went through a drought spell that really affected the pitch detrimentally. I think leaf spot went to full blown melting out. Add this to the fact that 4 games a week were being played.

Also add to that kids are allowed access to the pitch most of the time. Sometimes not young kids either. Friday night was class. I had mowed the pitch in preparation for the next days FA Cup game on said day and decided to string out lines for aesthetics. What ensued was parents in the club booting the ball as far as they could from the patio area for kids to fetch!!Talk about taking the ****!!



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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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Yeah i have respect for you to chucky at the end of the day as a council worker we can only do wat the job sheet says there isny enough time in the day to produce quality pitchs on local authority. however your part time work just be strong its a bit easier for me in a new stadium as directors and my new manager have respect for the pitch and also there is strict signs up around the ground
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chucky
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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No wonder I'm Mr Grumpy!

We also have signs mate. But there are senior committee members overseeing what goes on right infront of them and they say nothing. And these are the people who sorted the signs!!
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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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well these kind of people dont know anything mate just keep ya head high doesnt seem like you have your committee backing i would make my point known
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EHU Mission Control
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The future is bright, the future is EHU !

Chucky
Why not put the signs in a place where the sun does not shine directly aimed at the senior committee members, they may be will get the message then?
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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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Very true anti fa
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chucky
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No wonder I'm Mr Grumpy!

Guys it don't and hasn't worked.

I am taking a step or two back.
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Aladdin
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

As a matter of interest, Saint and Chucky (and possibly Steve63), I'd be interested to hear your comments about these situations.

Last Tuesday morning it was absolutely chucking it down and I was driving past some Local Authority football pitches. I was astonished to see a large-ish tractor pulling some gang mowers across said pitches. A case of no choice??

Similarly, the school field adjacent to our Club looks a right mess for much the same reason. In fact, a little while ago someone went on to mow it (in bad weather) and got the tractor stuck. Apparently he went for another tractor to tow it off and guess what happened?!!
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Aladdin
Posted 17 Aug 2008
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

By the way, Saint, thanks for the info. Can't expect folk to be on here 24/7.

As regards vandalism that's a problem for everyone. We've suffered our fair share of it and there was an article on this website recently about what Cheadle Town had suffered
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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 18 Aug 2008
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Aladdin on the council we dont have enough time to produce quality park pitches there is a time scale to do things good example today. Was at work this morning got sent to cut all of our pitches in the district it was pooring with rain at the end of the day the pitchs are cut and thats all the council worrys about.

Obv i try to work to a very high standard and we dont get that time. i like working for the council but if the right job comes along im going to take it because i think i can do much bettter.

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Aladdin
Posted 18 Aug 2008
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

So I was right, Saint. A case of no choice.
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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 18 Aug 2008
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Yeah very true.

Have you had any luck with the poles
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Aladdin
Posted 18 Aug 2008
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

Nope. One place didn't have any and another had some plastic ones that they would only sell in tens for £17+.

Have to make do and mend I reckon.
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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 18 Aug 2008
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Are you going to saltex this year i could purchase some for you and give you them at satex. im going on the wednesday
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Aladdin
Posted 18 Aug 2008
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"It needs some of that stuff on it what makes the drains work"

I'm a frayed knot. T'other end of the country from me. Might go to this Reaseheath one though. Which is t'other end of the country from you!! Never mind, I'll cobble summat together somehow.
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Rob Bradshaw
Posted 18 Aug 2008
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ok there must be a diy shop that has them go on ebay
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