6 Sep 2008 by juls
I am after some advice about the application of Moss control products.
I plan on using Mascot Soluble Iron @ 1grm / 50 ml of water / m2 as they recommend but this is about half the quantity of Iron & water /m2 compared to others. Has anybody experimented with different application rates?
What effect +/- would applying on a wet leaf have? Dry days being in short supply, best saved for other jobs.
Finally would using a powered springbok rake to remove dead moss be to aggressive for use at this time of year?
Juls,
Thought that I'd take a punt at responding to this one but wait until you get others to confirm or otherwise.
I think with soluble iron you can be fairly flexible with the application rates and I often double dose when it is particularly bad however I have seen posts where others advise caution on it's prolonged regular use.
When applying I get better results when it is wet as the product needs to soak right into the moss.
With regards to rakeing I don't think that you can be too agressive at this time of year but if the moss is particularly bad you will need to do some overseeding.
Bob
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Are we taking sports turf or lawns
Mascot now do a new product, which may not appear in your catalogue. its call mascot iron complex, i used the liquid iron at the start of the season (cricket, bowls and croquet) and it had a limited affect on the moss. although it does have a high N content which did give the grass a bit of a boost.
having then spoken to my local rep he suggested this new product, i gave it a try on the croquet lawns. what a difference, within 5 -7 days the moss had blacken off and was easy to remove using a sisis autorake fitted with a scarifier and then a stiff brush.
as for removal of the moss and it being to aggressive at this time of year, this time of year is ideal for the removal of moss, thatch and any other debris, follow this by overseeding and a top dressing of a compatible media and you will find you will get good results providing you keep the area moist
im now an ex groundsman but hey old habits die hard
Hello Juls
For problems with moss on greens or tees this product works great. There is also an extended protection of up to 3 months depending on the weather.
Its better to treat moss with a herbicide than to throw so much iron down, which will settle in the soil.
Mogeton from Staeler
Quinoclamin 250g/kg @ maximum 15kg / ha or 1.5g/ m²
150g in 10L H2O on 100m²
Watch out if you have a lot weeds because Mogeton (German name) is a herbicide.
It will also turn weak greens more yellow or burn when it's too hot, so watch out !
P.S. Don't know if this product is allowed in the UK?
Marcus
Lads, scotts had a good product a few years ago which was called "enforcer" which eradicated moss, i don't know if its still available though?
Brian
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I think that Mogeton only has a licence for hard surfaces in this country.
As I understand it Enforcer has been withdrawn and any left over stock must be used up by the end of this year.
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9 Sep 2008 by Gordon the Gopher
Yes Bob,
Enforcers gone.
9 Sep 2008 by juls
Thanks every one for their input.
I am dealing with lawns but would that make a difference to the treatment?
In the past I would normally have used Soluble Iron in the spring and a Dichlorophen based product in the Autumn. As Dichlorophen is no longer Licensed I am being forced to repeatedly use Soluble Iron or similar and that was partly the reason for my post.
I was wondering, ‘Increase the dose = more effective kill = reduced treatment’?
I have been back over and read previous post on this subject and noted the caution about over use but I didn’t come across the actual effects of doing so. Not to say it wasn’t there just didn’t find it.
Juls
10 Sep 2008 by MrC
it's reassuring that there are even more experts out there treating domestic lawns.........
Rather than just treating the moss why not treat the cause of the moss?
I
Just to clarify on Bob Smith's point, if anyone has Dichlorphen, active ingredient of Enforcer and SuperMosstox this is now illegal to apply.
Legally you are now obliged to dispose of this safely as it' s approval for use was withdrawn in 2007.
That is correct "I"
Try to change the pH level with Elemental Sulfur 5kg/ha.
Ammonium sulfate also works in lowering the pH with the difference that you get a huge thrust of growth.
Here is a link explaining a process of lowering the pH.
http://virtual.clemson.edu/groups/turfornamental/Irrigation%20Water%20Quality/lowering_soilph_with_eleme.htm
Marcus
11 Sep 2008 by GaryA
Bob
Further to DannyPC's point - the end use date was the same as the 'third party' end sale date - 31.12.07 - this caught quite a few folk out, especially when there were reps selling dichlorophen products last back end and not, ahem, fully explaining the end use date (a certain council in the north west has 80L of the stuff for this reason and was not best pleased when I explained that the end use date has passed) !
From an environmental point of view the best way to safely dispose of these peoducts is to use them as they were intended, IMO. However, a basis-registered (or otherwise) advisor could/would not officially recommend this!
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prolonged use of iron can cause an `iron pan`, impeding drainage.
What about an application of liquid copper, 5lts per hectare. just a thought.
Have just been reading about that MO Bacter stuff.
According to the gumph they have written the moss dies from an excess of potassium in the fertiliser (5 5 20) and the freindly bacteria then digest it.
Does this mean then that high potassium content fertilisers effectively kill moss?
Bob
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