Message Board - Turf Products: What chemical..???
7 Nov 2009 by ticky21
Ok guys ...just a quick question........what product are we using today for prevention of worm casting, ????...2 of my grounds show signs of casting when i was rollermowing and need to know what the general concensus is on this matter..... Ta muchly...
Ticky supports British farmers...!!
7 Nov 2009 by Grassman2011
Carbendizum Ticky. As far as i know it is all that is left.
7 Nov 2009 by Eddy21
Nothing Ticky...as all products for controlling worm casting have been pulled off the market and banned here in France.
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7 Nov 2009 by aturnbull
Hi Tick21
You might want to try a garlic based product. I have had a good result on a bowling green recently.
Andy Turnbull
7 Nov 2009 by Gordon the Gopher
acidify your water when using carbendazim and consider adding a penetrant.
7 Nov 2009 by jontaylor
Eddy,
What are French fine turf managers with a natural pH on the alkaline side doing now to manage worms? I would be very interested to hear how it's being managed.
The ciderman rolls
7 Nov 2009 by Jenson
Hi Tick21
You could try chemical free Cast Clear from Amenity Technology, which is a nutrient based product.
8 Nov 2009 by mwood
Wormztat from Ecosolve Products might be worth a look!
8 Nov 2009 by Eddy21 Last edited 8 Nov 2009
Hi Jon,
With nothing available to us there is very little we can do at this moment in time other than let them do their thing really.
On our courses we have about 6 particularly bad fairways in total, so its not really that bad on the whole scale of things.
These fairways are only mowed when dry and are cut with an old machine as we have found sometimes the Toro 6700's struggle if there is alot of casts. On a positive side of things our worst affected fairways stood up extremely well to the drought this summer and suffer from very little organic build up....I suppose we also have a constant source of aeration through the winter months!!
We have thought about sand capping the fairways in the future and going on a regular fairway dressing programme but if we were to do this they would require more fert and more water in the long run. Water cost is also a problem here in France as with 36 holes to irrigate its pretty expensive especially using city water. The club did have a borehole but this dried up about 10 yrs ago....we really have very little rain in this region.
The best thing about the situation here in France is that everybody is in the same boat and nobody should be spraying worms. If you turn up to a club that hasnt any worm casts on the fairways....they are more than likely spraying non homologated products that they have collected over the years....hopefully these guys will get caught out!!!
Going slightly off the subject but it wont be long before every chemical is non homolagated here in France. There is talk that all fungicides will be pulled before the end of the year. We only have about 5 at present, hopefully the associations (AGREF + FFG) current meetings with the government can prove succesful in stopping this, but I wont hold my breath, as we are such a small industry and an easy target. We are finding that chemicals are being pulled alot in amenity but not in agriculture....funny isnt it? They are making an example of a tiny industry.....but they wouldnt hack the farmers off would they?...the country would probably come to a standstill if they did.
Best regards
Dave
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8 Nov 2009 by jontaylor
Eddy,
Thanks for the info.
Don't French politicians play golf? These bans are primarily political (as you say, they don't pick on the farmers). Get the golf clubs to black-ball all politicians.
Another approach for your industry is to investigate the treaty of Rome - which talks about fair trade across borders and the rights to sell products which are legal in one country in another member state. I don't know your legal system well enough to be sure, but it may be worth your trade body looking in to this one.
The ciderman rolls
9 Nov 2009 by jlawrence
JT, you can buy and sell all you want - doesn't make the slightest bit of difference as to whether or not it's legal to apply the product.
Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.
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