Message Board - Natural Turf: Petrol mixed with 2 stroke oil?
22 Feb 2010 by Mark Jones
A bit of a random question! An old guy has donated 40 qiud of petrol to use. but he says it is mixed with two stroke oil. he bought and mixed it one month ago but says he can not use it because of ill health.
My question is can i use this in a westwood T1800 ride on?
22 Feb 2010 by jlawrence
has it got a 2 stroke engine ? If not then I'd suggest that you didn't use it.
Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.
22 Feb 2010 by mario Last edited 22 Feb 2010
I await Sumo's point of view on this, but for what it's worth, here's mine.
Way back when I was a lad, I was involved in motorcycle racing having shares in a Yamaha TZ350, Susuki RG500 and Yamaha TZ 750. They were raced around the country - Carnaby Raceway, Oliver's Mount, Cadwell Park, Oulton Park, Snetterton etc.
These machines were all powered by two-stroke engines running on 5-Star (101 octane) petrol mixed with Castrol 'R' at either 16 or 20:1 mix. The castor-based 'R' needed to be used or dispensed with as it "went off" within a week or so.
At the end of the racing day the tanks were emptied and tipped into the van's petrol tank for the journey back home. The engine never missed a beat over five seasons or so. Used to smell brilliant though. Anyone used the stuff?
Anyway - Modern two-stroke oils are predominately synthetic based with mixtures being far leaner, typically at ratios of 40 or 50 to 1.
In fact, if I've run out of petrol, I've seen me use the pre-mixed stuff (Stihl oil at 50:1) intended for the strimmer and chainsaw in my Paladin without problems or adverse smoking.
I think that I would find out the type of oil in the petrol and the mix ratio.
In my opinion, it won't cause any harm. In fact, it will probably act as an upper cylinder lubricant.
But I would council you not to take just my word for it but also from the likes of Sumo who works with modern engines on a daily basis.
I know no boundaries.
22 Feb 2010 by olaf
Castrol R,
brings back memories of hacking round the southern circuits on my RD 350 LC,
we used to trailer it, camp out or kip in the car, race on Sunday, crash a lot and ache for 4 days then do it all the following weekend.
Even got a Manx GP entry in 84 only to completely bin the bike at Mallory two weeks prior, ended a promising career, well I like to think so!
One whiff of Castrol R and the years roll back..........
Beach racing and enduro now on an XT660. That and the occasional hill climb, which are a real hoot.
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
22 Feb 2010 by mario
I was also involved in the Manx for four seasons - '79 to 83.
That's 1979 to 1983!!
It was about then that Castrol TT came out which was easier to handle but alas didn't have that aroma!!
I know no boundaries.
22 Feb 2010 by ticky21
i would use it in a ride on with a 4 stroke lump, but what i would do is to dilute it further, with more neat fuel....just to reduce oil content....
Re Castrol R...my dad used to run a Greeves 250 twin, in the good old days of grass track, that distinct smell is unforgetable...
Ticky supports British farmers...!!
22 Feb 2010 by Mike
Andy, an XT660?? I liked you until I read that 
Coming from the island that is home to the best enduro rider in the world (not me btw) , all I can say is Gas Gas rule the roost - leave yamaha to making road bikes and boat engines!
22 Feb 2010 by ticky21
Oi Mike A....lol...i had an 83' XT 550 rebored to 610, had twin Amal 30mm carbs on it and a Supertrap exhaust from USA on it.....and bugger me didnt that fly......it used to leave my mates GPZ 750 for dust on acceleration....
Ticky supports British farmers...!!
22 Feb 2010 by Mike
Bet that thing took some starting ticky!
I see a pitchcare enduro rideout on the horizon... i'll bring me gasser and show you all how things work in the noughties, where spanish engineering rules (not often you hear someone say that!).
22 Feb 2010 by mario
What was this thread about again? Oh yes, 2-stroke oil in petrol.
Hurry up Sumo, or anyone, and put an end to all this nostalgia!! (I'll shoot the bugger who started all this bike talk!!)
I know no boundaries.
22 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
jeez, Im sharing a forum with a bunch of old greasers!!!I bet youve still got your leather jackets with a skull on the back.
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
22 Feb 2010 by Grassman2011
Come on you vespa and lambretta groupies
22 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
I never really made it as a mod or a rocker, I was more of a mocker, no surprise there I suppose.
No wonder some of this lot cant understand why someone like me cant take a mower apart
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
22 Feb 2010 by olaf
Its cold, wet and freezing let us old bikers talk about the things, we ain't riding them in this weather...............
bit harsh on my XT Mike, does the cbr1000rr get me of the hook?
recently traded the zzr1100 in, thought that was quick till i opened the honda up...........
Barry you don't know what your missing.
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
22 Feb 2010 by paul kelsey
Maybe you were a lover not a biker Barry
22 Feb 2010 by Mike
Only kidding on the xt... very capable all rounder, just a bit of a sedate riding style for my liking... I prefer something with a bit more fizz. 1000rr... now theres a different conversation entirely... certainly a good choice though!
22 Feb 2010 by jlawrence
how the heck do you still get to keep a bike when married - I've yet to find a way :(.
I keep dropping hints but these darn kids are always kicked up as an reason why - not that I could fit a bike in my garage come workshop. Cars have roofs, bikes need to live inside :)
Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.
22 Feb 2010 by olaf
We used to cart the kids about in a r100t with a watsonian oxford chair, great fun.
Keeping a bike when married is easy as the missus is a biker too,
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
22 Feb 2010 by Sumomosr
Best to use it in a further diluted state as Tickey suggests.
It may smoke a little so be aware of that when driving into the wind (cough cough).
I love the smell of Castrol R too.
Carry on with the bike talk...
GOGGA
22 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
Definitely time for bed - before you lot get out your flick-knives
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
22 Feb 2010 by mario Last edited 22 Feb 2010
First bike owned at 16 - a Honda S90. This wasn't the step-through C90 but a sports version which did 62 mph flat on the tank.
Then before I was 17, a new Yamaha DS7 which was a 250. This was the forerunner of the RD models. The DS7 didn't have reed-valve induction, so the power band really kicked in at 5500 and expired at 8200 rpm.
If you let the revs fall below 4000 it oiled the plugs up, so it was 30 mph whilst in 2nd gear. You always had to carry spare plugs in your pocket but it didn't half go like stink.
Imagine today letting a 16 year-old with 'L' plates loose on a bike capable of 100 mph?
Wrote it off after 10 weeks! Cost £347.00 then. Now they're on eBay for silly money.
Bought it back for 30 quid from the insurance who gave me £270.00 to cover the loss. Rebuilt it, rode it for 6 months and traded it in for a new Suzuki GT750 - £670.00. One of these on eBay at the weekend for eight and a half grand!! Jeez!
During the dealers rode test of my trade-in he fell off, writing his new suit off, gashing his head, (no compulsory helmets in those days), he eventually arrived back at the shop pushing the bike.
He asked me how much I wanted for it. £350 I said. He gave me it without a murmur!!
Oh happy days!
I know no boundaries.
23 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
Oh yes the old DS7 without reed-valve induction and the late power band kick in, remember it well. Personally I prefered the old Zx47 with the cross core splunge bracket injection that gave the con rockers the extra nudge to force up the gridflange - worked a treat.
Failing that I found the number 22 Routemaster via Hackney Wick got me there almost as quick
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
23 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
And this years award for the quickest post to go completely off the point goes to (pause- cameras got to audience to see numbers of ageing ex-greasers biting their collars of their leather jackets)
MARIO!!!!! 
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
23 Feb 2010 by olaf
Barry, as a lad brought up in a village with a bus service that ran 4 times a week to the nearest town on saturdays and market day. Getting a motorcycle brought freedom. before that it was pushbike or shanks pony.
I started on a Puch V50 known as the flying banana as it was bright yellow with a pressed steel frame, bought for 8 quid if I recall, moved onto an RD 250 at 17, the older coffin tank model. How we stayed alive on L plates I'll never know, these little things really went quick with a power band as wide as Kate Moss's waste and top whack of around 100mph. By todays standards pretty crap brakes and tyres too.
As soon as the test was passed onto a Honda 750f2, last of the single overhead cam ones.
since then I've owned over 20 different machines ranging from whopping BMW tourers to bonkers sports bikes.
It's in the blood, every jouirney an adventure and some of the best fun you can have with your clothes on. Made many friends through biking, even met my wife.Toured Europe and a chunk of North Africa.
As your sceptical Barry I suggest yo invite yourself over to Mikes during TT week, the best holiday your'll ever have.
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
23 Feb 2010 by mario
Thank you for the accolade, Barry, will treasure it forever!!
I know no boundaries.
23 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
Olaf - I have no idea of what you are talking about but Im sure it makes sense to fellow greasers!
As for watching the TT, I would rather have root canal surgery without an injection mate but each to his own. Also I am have never been impressed by the fact that , without exception, every motor cyclist seems to think the normal rules of the Highway code dont apply to them.
When I am running the country, motor cyclists along with push bikers and dog owners will be banned
Mario, so you should!
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
23 Feb 2010 by olaf
Whats the highway code?
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
23 Feb 2010 by tonybolton
First bike 1958 125cc 2 stroke single seat ex GPO BSA Bantam, max 50mph but much better than peddling, if the plug was clean and the points set correctly it ran like a dream for at least 200 miles.
A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother
23 Feb 2010 by williams1
as my first and last bike was a raleigh burner i will not add to this trip down nostalga lane. anyway my head is humming from all the gas fumes!
if the mix was 50:1 personally i would go ahead and use it. bit smokey but no harm done. 25:1 might need diluting down. certainly at those dilutions, once off, wont cause abrations or clog.
and remember 4 wheels are better than 2!
23 Feb 2010 by Mike
RD250 Andy... great bike!!
Rules of the highway code, Barry... what are they? We don't even have a national speed limit over here 
23 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
Mike
We dont have a speed limit on the mainland either, well not one that means anything to motor cyclists. dont mind them just killing themselves but it doesnt work like that, does it?
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
23 Feb 2010 by olaf
One like it Mike, mine was red though
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
23 Feb 2010 by olaf
The first thing I was let loose on an unsuspecting motoring public back in 76,
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
23 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
What the f!!! 
Now we have pictures!!
I feel like Ive moved to a parallel universe
I must remember never to put the words "two stroke" in a post heading
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
23 Feb 2010 by mario
Although I have a penchant for posting photos even I wouldn't go so far as to put up bike ones!!
Did I ever tell the story of a trip to Wisbech, Barry Sheene's wife and his Suzuki TR750? No????
I know no boundaries.
23 Feb 2010 by Mal
Ok I give in...... Here is what I learnt to ride when I left school (A Puch maxi) but have to admit that that is as far as my experiance got on two wheels after try a mates out in the local carpark after school. Scared me witless (goes faster than a tractor you see) Even when I got myfirst car which was a hilman imp by the way (Now there was a true mechanics car - you had to be a mechanic or have one in the car with you at all times) People used to accuse me of driving it like a tractor, slow. A great driving experiance though.
Geography is everywhere
23 Feb 2010 by Pitchcare Peter
An NSU Quickly was my only nod to two wheels - cost me £10. When the chain came off and wrapped itself round the back wheel it was taken to the dump!
I then doubled my money and spent £20 on a split screen Morris Minor - never looked back since. My second car was a Cortina Mk1 GT (that should bring RobX out of the woodwork).
23 Feb 2010 by has 2 mow
First bike Fise ( the fizzy ) and freedom.
23 Feb 2010 by Mike
Well, i'm feeling left out here, so I best put some pics up too...
23 Feb 2010 by Mike
My first road bike...
23 Feb 2010 by Mike
Here's an anomaly for you Barry. We have no maximum speed limit over here, we can go as fast as we want in certain areas. Over half of the TT course has no speed limit whatsoever, and every Sunday, you will see guys on certain parts of the course riding at upwards of 150mph... hell, I was one of them when I had the road bike. Here's the strange part though - statistically speaking, roads over here are safer than those of the mainland uk... go figure?
23 Feb 2010 by olaf
Let me round the course on my latest toy Mike and I'll dent those statisitics.
sensible sedate middle age, sod that lets have some fun......
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
23 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
Mike
Did you know that statistical information gained from under a figure of 200 is unreliable?
So fugures based on 58 people and a few sheep and cows dont count
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
23 Feb 2010 by olaf
Barry,
Can't resist this but are you the bloke who always has a clear road in front of him whilst towing a caravan behind a Morris Marina at 15mph down the A303 every bank Holiday with traffic backed up for thirty miles behind him?
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
23 Feb 2010 by Mike Last edited 23 Feb 2010
Ha, that tickled me Barry.
Seriously though, you would be amazed at the safety on the roads over here. It is very, very rare that anyone is killed in an accident over here, and the fatal bike accidents are few and far between. The only time we see blatant, dangerous riding is during tt week, and that is with a handful of visitors (usually germans) who can't read the road signs!
Andy - stunning bike!
23 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
Olaf
Im the bloke who drives normally like many people watching and breaking as effing idiots on bikes overtake on the inside, weaving in and out of the traffic 10 to 15 miles over the speed limit.
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
23 Feb 2010 by paul kelsey
Barry
I know the bikes creep up on you then flash past but even they are not as bad as the girls on a morning in there little 1300 sporty's who have to get from the inside lane to the outside one quicker than Barry Sheen in his prime.
23 Feb 2010 by jim davidson
I also had an RD250, air cooled, the one before the coffin shaped petrol tank version, never had a bike since that made me grin so much. Still have an RD400 somewhere in various boxes and garages.
Most embarrasing moment was being towed home on my puch maxi by a puch melody.....using bungee cords!!!!!!!!!
Have any of you ex-bikers got kids that have bikes and if so how do you sleep at night!!!!!!
23 Feb 2010 by mario
Mike - Came off during the second lap of the Manx at Union Mills. Bike went apex over tangent and I ended up slamming into a garage door.
Whilst lying in a heap, all I could think of was getting a ride in the helicopter to Nobles hospital. Unfortunately for me, the medics had other ideas and put a bandage on the liitle finger of my left hand! Bummer!!
I know no boundaries.
23 Feb 2010 by Mike
Tell me you didn't crash into the pub Mario... that's about the only place anyone ever crashes in union mills!
Wouldn't need a helicopter if you crashed there now anyway. Take a right midway through the s bend at union mills, follow road for half a mile and you're at the new hospital... they would probably send a porter down with a wheelchair for any accidents there now!
23 Feb 2010 by mario
It was a door just beyond the garage, if that's still there. Of course, I am talking about taking part 30 years ago!!
I know no boundaries.
23 Feb 2010 by Mike
I know where you are Mario... just winding it up for the Ballahutchin and high sided it I guess? Garage and houses are still there.
23 Feb 2010 by mario
Just changed up, next thing I knew I was sliding on my backside. The bike was 'poured' into the back of the van. No two parts were hanging the right way!! Even the double front discs got buckled!
Hadn't a clue what had gone wrong until the engine was stripped back home. Gearbox had seized when one of the cogs flew apart.
I know no boundaries.
23 Feb 2010 by Mike
Ouch! Very lucky it happened there and not a mile up the road where the real speed begins.
24 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
Paul
Cant speak for the driving utopia that is apparently Isle of Man but in the UK, bikers are without doubt in my mind after 40 years of driving, the biggest ignorers of anyonne else on the road bar none. Admittedly, down south anyway, girl racers are now catching up with boy racers in terms of brainless driving. Most of the girls racers have 2 multicoloured kids unstrapped in the seats as well!
Having had the misfortune to have had a job for 2 years which involved driving round the delights of south London everyday, push bikers also take some beating. They totally ignore traffic lights and seem to think again the highway code doesnt apply to them and they dont pay any road tax or have any insurance.
That feels better! 8.30am and Ive already had a good rant! Loverly jubberly!!!
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
24 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
Ok guys, I have to own up - I really am a closet greaser, this is my bike. Its got some modifications Ive made in my extended garage. Ive adapted the spronge plonket to give it extra oomph and inserted a couple of extra power bands and expanded the nonka pipe to give the thrust warbler an extra kick
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
24 Feb 2010 by olaf
And to think I had you down as owning one of these,
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
24 Feb 2010 by Mal
Hey Barry is your spronge plonket a mkII or a mkIII. Personally I prefer the extra shiney surfaces that the new version has. I think it is much more streamlined and gives you at least an extra 0.2mph in a good tail wind. Not to mention that it now comes in a choice of colours including a flashy glitter red. I've got one on order and I can't wait to fit it and try it out.
Geography is everywhere
24 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
No mine is one I ve made myself usng my vast knowledge of mechanics and the 4 spanners that I own
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
24 Feb 2010 by Mal Last edited 24 Feb 2010
I'm impressed Barry, How did you get the central Grotis to marry up to the outer sprongal. I'd have thought that was near impossible with a spanner unless it was a open ended one or is that why you have to use 4 spanners?
Geography is everywhere
24 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
No, I used my bare hands for most of it, I am frightingly strong
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
24 Feb 2010 by Aladdin
BSA Bantam
Triumph Tiger 90
Honda 50
Honda 250 W- er, Superdream
Yamaha RD 250
Honda CX 500
Think that's the lot
From the posh end of the room!!
24 Feb 2010 by ticky21
OK bike history....
road bikes.
Suzuki TS 50 ER
Suzuki TS 125 ERZ
Kawasaki GPZ 550 A2
Kawasaki GPZ 900 R
Yamaha XT 550.
moto X
1988 Suzuki RM 250
1991 Husqavarna 610
and now i have the use of my sisters Kawasaki ZX12R, which has a Power Command module, and a Yoshimura RS3 exhaust.....yep she is bit of a speed freak, she also runs a Volvo V70R estate, with a Rica ECU chip, kicking out 325 brake at the front wheels....(on a rolling road)
Ticky supports British farmers...!!
24 Feb 2010 by mario
I want to marry your sister, Ticky!!!
I know no boundaries.
24 Feb 2010 by ticky21
LOL @ Mario........i forgot also she has a 1989 G reg Range Rover Vogue that has gone to Overfinch to have some mods done to it.......
Ticky supports British farmers...!!
24 Feb 2010 by Rizla
iam after someting like this (beta, sherco ) , and to see if it still hurts when falling off the dam thing ... good fun all the same lol
Fat old Sun
25 Feb 2010 by Chris Thornton
Me talking to the king of the T T sat astride my RD 350 1975 vintage.
It's gone now as i am a bit too old for "strokers"!
Except of course Strimmers. Keep 'em revving they love it!!!
Chris
(Looking for an old Brit four stroke to renovate)
"He not busy being born is busy dying"
26 Feb 2010 by barry glynn
Yawn
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
27 Feb 2010 by Nifty
I don't even like motorcycles that much but this is certainly not a yawn thread , if I had a bike it would be one of these.
Its got to be purrrfect
27 Feb 2010 by mario
The original models of the Norton Commando, the Mk 1, were known as "The Black Banana" because when you cornered at speed with them it felt as if they were hinged in the middle.
Such a disappointment to many given their previous success with the Norton Dominators and the Featherbed frames, both Slimline and Wideline, which were akin to two wheels on rails!
I know no boundaries.
27 Feb 2010 by Nifty
There you go , we all learned something. I was just smitten with their looks when they were on a nearby stand at the Kempton Park autojumble a few years ago , black and gold like a JPS Lotus racing car but with lots of chrome as well , very nice.
Its got to be purrrfect
27 Feb 2010 by Barry Pace
Lol at Rob.... shiny metal bits...shiny metal bits... smell the oil....smell the oil... mmmmmMMMmmmmm
Plastic.... it's The End I tell you... THE END!!!!
27 Feb 2010 by Nifty Last edited 27 Feb 2010
You know me so well Barry , mind you I do have my limits..as a friend once said to me "Honda Goldwing , I'd rather walk !" (even in a paralell universe)
Its got to be purrrfect
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