3 Mar 2010 by paul.
All
Sorry to go back over old ground,
But having received that outrageous letter from the ECB campaigning for clubs to write to their local MP about the goverment putting some cricket back on free to Air Tv (yes the one with the template).
My Question is this.
Did your club, or anybody Know of clubs that received ECB funding last year??!!!
Thanks
Paul
3 Mar 2010 by paul.
Sorry
Apart from the money that premier league teams receive!!
Paul,
Certainly had clubs in Wiltshire receive money for machinery from the ECB machinery fund.
3 Mar 2010 by paul.
Thanks Bath
When did you at Bath have the last of your cash the year before last?????
Did you see the letter??
We had a machinery grant last year and I personally know of another couple of clubs that did too.
Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.
We had ours the year before last and no i did not see any letter, dont be silly mate.
Here in Wiltshire we have one club who is awaiting there money to purchase a roller. We had a hick up with that about six weeks ago, but i believe it has been resolved.
Paul
We are having work done on our clubhouse funded mainly by the ECB. think about £50k from ECB extension changing layout showers etc.
This was agreed just before new year & work had to begin immediately.
We are lucky in that we are a town team & we have achieved clubmark & focus club in last 6 months.
But we are nowhere near premier league having very almost folded a couple of years ago currently playing in a league with mainly village teams.
3 Mar 2010 by MAVO
Is that my club Bath?because i haven't heard anything yet on the subject of the roller.
3 Mar 2010 by tidod
Paul
Here in Warwickshire I know of 8/9 clubs that I can remember who have received ECB Machinery Grants during the past two years.
Not all the clubs are ECB Premier League clubs either - in fact I reckon about 75% of the fortunate ones are in leagues much lower down the pyramid. The one common denominator is that they were all ECB affiliated and Clubmarked.
We don't know if there will be grants available this year- probably know more next week.
Geoff Calcott
3 Mar 2010 by olaf
I Know of, and have been involved as a Pitch adviser in the process of securing grant aid, interest free loans and other support for a considerable number of clubs/ schools/ local authoritities in my county. It's a constantly on going process.
Whats your beef?
Some people are like Slinky's, totally useless but amusing if you push them down the stairs
Hi We got a machinery grant at the end of last season for a roller. The grant was 50% of the cost compared to 75% in previous years. This subject is one that I fill strongly about, as that unless you are in the top divisions or a favored club money is very hard to get. Your club do al the hard work to get Club mark and become a focus Club(and it is hard work) to get rewarded with no money to develop the club. We have asked our Cricket board to show were there money goes but are never told. You might say that you have had a new roller and that is true, but over the last 5 years we have developed our youth teams to a level off 150 players. so we have had to build a new net area, relay our artificial strip, extended the main square and put 2 new tracks along side the artificial to cope with the games that we play. We put in for grants from the E.C.B. and were told the funds had run out. And we would have to apply again. But you can't apply for grants on work that has been done, so we have sent over £30000 to do this work.
3 Mar 2010 by paul.
Eddie g
You`re story sounds familiar,but of course one could argue that your club and ours would not have gone forward as far as facililities, at such a rate without clubmark etc!
I do exept that it costs to reach clubmark and focusclub status,and you`re right it is hard work!
It just concerns me that things that are subsidised, get smaller in percentage each year ,
And the more clubs get clubmarked the less cash seems to be going round!
As for asking cricket boards where the money goes .What have they got to hide???
Paul
3 Mar 2010 by paul.
Geoff
Why might there not be any grants at all next year!Sky not stopped paying for the cricket ????
Eddie
It certainly isnt easy.People in clubs put in a lot of work to get all the accreditation required as you say to get Clubmark and Focus. Exactly how the money is distributed seems to vary from county to county.
As far as machinery grants go, you cant get one can you from the ECB unless you are a Focus club? Thats why we have had to apply to Sport England cos we are Clubmarked but not a Focus club yet.
At least that was what I was told. I am still waiting on Sport England, should know onne way ot the other in the next couple of weeks.
I suppose there is only a certain amount of money. Trouble is in this country,Governments can find the money to hold the Olympics which no one else apart from the Government wants but they cant find a penny to put into grassroots sport. The only monies cricket can get their hands on is from the ECB or the lottery through Sport England.
Im not the ECbs greatest fan but the lack of funding isnt really their fault. Balme the government and not just this one, they are all as bad.
Sport in schhools is sh*t, thats one reason whhy we have breed a nation of fat unfit kids.
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
3 Mar 2010 by paul.
Barry
Can understand your monies in present climate, goverment etc ! But the Ecb get most of there cash from selling your game to Sky!
Sky pay more for it every year ,so where is this cash!
No Dave, not your club. As tidod says, we might learn more next week.
Paul
Dont get me goinng again on this one! I was ranting about what will happen if Sky doesnt get the cricket again if its forced back onnto terrestial at a muchh lower cost. If you think there isnt much monney now, what do you think will happen when they get up to half as much from tv rights?
Its the Government, they dont give a jot for sport, they never have in this country.
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
3 Mar 2010 by paul.
Barry
What i hope shorterm is that Our clubs will not be forced to jump through hoops by anybody and we can all get on and run our clubs in a way thats best for them, not anybody else whilst receiving in 99% of cases the same amount of help and cash we get now !
Longterm once all the backscrathing at the top of the game has dissapeared because the counties that survive will have to run as a business,then we can look at a new governing body that understands the game is only as strong as it is at grass roots ,put the money where it should go and not hide behind Directives and stuff you would find on the floor at a bull ring!
I rest my case!
M'Lord.
Paul
I fear nothing will change because of Government attitude.
Cricket itself generates vitually nothing. it never has done.The only money comes from Sky tv and test revenue. if a government id have an about turn re sport, they would not put it into cricket anyway. They would pour it into football probably because that is the sport of the Sun reading, chav lard buckets who make up a bigger percentage of sport followers, its all about votes isnt it.
I see this morning a new government directive is to encourage schools to put "lifestyle" coaches into schools to increase activity by one hour a week but not by playing conventional sports, what the **** is that going to do?
What the hell are the PE teachers doing then? Why need a "lifestyle" coach?
Willard, so you agree with me then, its the Governments fault not sad little English groundsman like me?
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
4 Mar 2010 by paul.
Please someone tell me they have received funding!
not £5,000 but 20 k plus for new square or new pavillion as in PacMans case!!!
No Paul but can only say watch this space as far as we are concerned cos we are planning a second ground (new 8 track square and new outfield) behind our existing one. ECB, or rather the County have made encouraging noises about obtaining a 75% grant. Application is currently with council who move none too quickly as is our even more ambitious plans for a new pavilion, so if any of it comes off, it will be big bucks. But its just a case of fingers crossed. Im not holding my breath but then I am a pessimistic old s*d.
new pavilion is at least a five year project but hopefully not the same with the new ground
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
4 Mar 2010 by paul.
Barry
Where are you and this ambitious club!
4 Mar 2010 by Minormorris64 Last edited 4 Mar 2010
We have spent towards £35,000 (nett) over the last 6 years towards pavilion rebuild, ground & equipment improvements
Coming from
Awards from all £6,000
Local Council £3,000
Donations £5,000
and £21,000 ..................lots of hard work
And we are a Focus Club with Clubmark accreditation
What goes around, comes around
There is money available for well thought out projects coming from clubs who have shown a genuine committment to developing the sport. I personally have worked in a LA background and had to deal with capital projects from various clubs, not just cricket ones.
Often behind ill conceived projects is a small minority of people with certain hooby horse projects.
Money is limited and often it comes down to the difference of what is needed and what people would like. They are different.
Many funding streams out there and the ECB does have one and it does get limited amounts of cash to focus clubs. Not a focus club not going to get entertained.
Why should the ECB, or anyone else, fund these big private clubs, however well run they are?
I'm with Haslamm on this - justify the project and you qualify for entry into the pool of groups bidding for limited funds. But there's no guarantee.
Whilst it's surely very nice for the big clubs to get shiny new pavillions, or multi-bay net areas, or even second or third grounds, why should Joe public fund their infrastructure whilst the clubs pay thousands every year for an overseas pro? And do we, as a nation, want to create a situation where there are one or two regional megaclubs vacuuming up all of the local juniors and so starving other clubs of their lifeblood? Where is the benefit to cricket of one club having so many juniors at training that the kids can't all get a game every week, when other nearby clubs with less access to funds struggle to put out a side? (This already happens at a town near me)
No personal gripe here, we're neither clubmark nor focus and we don't run a junior section. But I do see what's going on around me.
The ciderman rolls
4 Mar 2010 by jlawrence Last edited 4 Mar 2010
I'm not sure about large clubs in other areas, but out of our youngsters less than half actually play senior cricket for our club. We provide junior cricket for a number of small clubs in this area - and their juniors go back to their club to play their senior cricket (when they're old enough).
If the juniors want to play in our senior sides then fine, but they're not pushed to - unless they have obviously high talent in which case they'd be unlikely to remain at a village side anyway. If we had to accommodate all our youngsters then we'd be running 6 or more senior sides - for which there simply ain't enough grounds.
So I don't think it's fair to say that the bigger clubs hover up all the youngsters. We've had discussions on here in the past that there are simply too many cricket clubs (with too little money) which effectively don't have a chance of providing the facilities (and coaches) needed to cope with multiple junior teams. Why shouldn't these smaller clubs take advantage of the facilities the bigger clubs have.
As for shiney new pavillions - yep we could do with a new one. If the powers that be ever get around to agreeing on a plan we might actually have a chance of getting one in my lifetime - so far it's been talked about for over 5 years and not a single bit of drawing has happened yet.
I agree completely that the is no 'right' to getting funding. A big part of getting funding from the ECB is showing that you are a viable entity - ie that you don't just exist because you can get funding. I think other funding bodies would have the same expectations.
Put your project together correctly, justify the need, and then you get to the next stage in the process. With any funding applications there is no guarantee of success, and nor should there be, regardless of how big a club you are.
If you want a successful funding application then most of the time there's a lot more to it than just filling out the forms. You need to get the right people backing you - if that means that you need to present your plans to the LA in order to get council backing, or present to some other potential community partners then you'd be daft not to. If all you do is fill in the forms and hope then I'd suggest you're probably wasting your time - though for some funding areas it does actually seem to work that way.
Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.
Paul
Im in Surrrey.Our pavilion is sixty years old, like many others,quite striking but not what it needed to move the club forward.
JonTaylor.
With all due respect, obtaining Clubmark and Focus status is not an easy thing to do and neither is running a large colts section. All done by people giving up their time and effort.
If all clubs didnt bother to run colts sections then there would be no cricket for kids anywhere virtually cos schools do mainl nothing.So I cant see why you get upset when clubs do pull their fingers out and try and obtain funding. Where should the monies go? To a club that does nothing to help kids into cricket?
The effort required to put a project together for a new pavilion, is enormous. And what is it done for? Its done to improve sports and social facilities for local people. Cricket clubs are not money making private concerns, anyone can join them.I have no idea if our dream of a new pavilion and second ground will happen. If it does, will be providing a vehicle for more kids both male and female to have the chance to play cricket and hopefully even disabled teams.
Quite frankly it gets on my thruppenies when clubs sit back and do nothing then moan about clubs who try and put in the hard yakka and who may, only may, get some funding.
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
Barry, JT wasn't bemoaning clubs that pull their fingers out to get some funding but rather those that seem to think they've got a right to have funding because they're the big clubs in the area. Or at least that's how I read his post.
Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.
Well Jon
Didnt read that way to me.I know how much effort all this takes for people in clubs. How have some clubs have become "big" clubs? Bl00dy hard and dedication thats how.Im old enough to remember when there was no help at all from the ECB or its latter day equivalent for clubs.
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
5 Mar 2010 by paul.
Bit like today Barry!
Sorry was`nt going to get you started
Paul
Believe me Paul its better than it used to be but only because of Sky income.
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
5 Mar 2010 by paul.
Barry I do believe that!
Its just that so many promises are made !
If each club were given say 10k,would it be worth the hassle of being told you will play 55 overs with a draw!
You will be clubmarked if you want to play at top of pyramid
This is the league you will play in!
You now need to be a focus club and because of that we will use your facilities for games at no cost, because we have you where we want you!
Coaching badges ,Crb checks,(now massive money spinner for ECB)build a new dressing room for youngsters coz they cant change with teammates(just the start of it) It all adds up!
And of course back full circle there is no price on youngsters seeing the game on free to air tv!!!
All the ECB are worried about with clubmark, is covering there ****, so when Jonny gets hit in the nets the parents don`t arrive at their door ,leaving you(our clubs)to deal with it!
I agree with a lot of what you say Paul but nothing stays the same for ever. we live in a world of continual possible litigation and we have our fat ba**ards from across the Atlantic to thank for a lot of this cos we seem to ape everything they do these days.Ok I am an old fart and helmets didnt exist but if I had got hit in thhe nets as a kid, litigation would have been the last thing on my Dads mind, I would have told off for not keeping my eye on the ball! In saying that, I think helmets are great, I ddonnt want to see anyone hit in the head and hurt.
Some of the clubmark things are good because it makes a club be more organised and efficient. But the basic coaching courses are a joke evenn if you are an average cricketer. But a lot of coaches come from thhe Parents of colts and a lot of these helpful , keen people have never played the game. But the more kids you introduce to cricket, the more coaches you need!
CRB checks are not worth the paper they are written on and having to have one for your tea lady is bo***cks!
I do not like the ECB dictating how we play our cricket. This season I have to paint even more lines a foot either side of the return crease for wides. It will get to the point where noone wwill want to be a bowler. Just 10 overs a match that starts in the morning, bowl an inswinger that beats the bat and misses the leg stump by 2mms and its a wide? How is all this going to help rpoduce Test class bowlers, its even more bo**0cks.
Without club cricket, test cricket in the UK will end up with just a complete team of south africans but I cant see anything in the format of club competitions that will help to generate home grown playerss to Test level.
What do I do? I just cut the grass.
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