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Garry Fielding
Posted 1 Jun 2010
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I just dont know why players have to scratch out so much in this place it cant move all you Groundsman must be tearing your hair out wkt from this wk end i was fuming when seen it today scratched out 5ft down wkt as wide as my size 12 feet and 4 to 5 inch deep why do they need to do it the wkts dont move here are pictures of my ends after this wk end match
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Zippy
Posted 1 Jun 2010
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Well consolidated kaloam does the trick for me, but I understand your frustrations with batsmen. Mind you bowlers are just as bad making foot holes worse.

Spare a thought for poor old Mick Hunt at Lords, Jonathan Trott was stilling scratching out his mark at the crease after he hit the winning runs !!
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Mal
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What I find annoying is that we always issue a couple of bowlers runup discs so the bowlers don't have to gouge a mark into the outfield of where he needs to start his runup. How many times have I seen the bowler proceed to scratch out the grass so that he knows where to place the bowlers disc (Too Many).
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trubs
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Or Feilders hacking out a huge cross where they've been told to go!
Had a County Over60's match last week, couldn't find any damage with a magnifying glass. U15's this week, can guarantee a Canyon.
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Philmort
Posted 1 Jun 2010
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Hit the nail on the head with Trott example. Copycat syndrome with the youngsters. Mind you, as far as the fielders are concerned, I know a couple of years ago one County Under 15 coach was telling the fielders to mark their positions !
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FiestySTM
Posted 1 Jun 2010
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I have exactly the same problems you have all said. I think we should put in a proposal to the ECB (so umpires know its agreed and dont mark us down) that we put three 3 inch marks on the front line for the three stumps. Then if agreed it could be communicated to the whole of the UK's clubs and players so that hopefully (ho ho) the holes stop appearing.
Would it work though and is it worth a try?
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Zippy
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I think it just comes down to respecting the work that goes into maintaining a sports suface no matter what the sport or who the culprit is.

Shiv Chanderpaul has the right idea marking his guard with a bail.
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Richardb
Posted 1 Jun 2010
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its not just the Batsmen & Bowlers, we have a young U17 wicketkeeper who gouges a mark back from the centre stump, we keep on at him but to no avail, think its nurves, even if we marked the batting crease I still think the Batsmen would scratch a line oner the paint!
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trubs
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They do. And some of the trenches dug, in todays 'Elf n Safety conscious society, would constitute a trip hazard!
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jontaylor
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Caistor Town U13 junior (yes, I'll name and shame the club for this) scratched his mid-wicket fielding position. Slap bang on a length on a track in use. He wasn't to know it had finished it's match duties two days before and gone in to net service.

Too many juniors scratch their mark forward of the batting crease - only to tread it out with their tentative forward defensive.

We've just started a junior team and I'm working through the players, showing them how to mark their guard. I believe kids don't do these things through malice, just lack of knowledge. In about ten years of watching junior training sessions at other clubs I've never seen a coach teach a kid how to mark his guard.

I agree with the paint marks idea (and even saw it on a recent photo on this message board).
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jlawrence
Posted 2 Jun 2010
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Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

I put paint marks on junior tracks just to give them a chance of standing in roughly the right place.
Batsmen's markings take all of about 10 minutes to fix so I don't see what the problem is.
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barry glynn
Posted 2 Jun 2010
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

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There is no need at all for batsmen to mark their guard by scratching forward of the crease. I was watching Trott batting in the Test match and I am convinced he is troubled by some sort of compulsive disorder. he marks his guard out every time he faces a ball from another end,k he is nuts. The kids see this and think thats what you do, totally unnecessary.
I know its part of the job but I have never understood why keepers have to gouge back a line from the off stump, are they blind?
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jlawrence
Posted 2 Jun 2010
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Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

I scratch marks where ever I want them when I'm batting.
If I stay in the crease then the marks will stay there - if I want to bat a foot in front of my crease then I'll have a mark there.
I'll agree that what Trot does is a tad odd to put it mildly.
Like you I've never understood why keepers gouge a line from off stump. When I'm keeping I know exactly where the off stump is - ok, with some of my bowlers it's about 3ft to my right after I've taken the ball but I still know where it is :)
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Garry Fielding
Posted 3 Jun 2010
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Knew you were a player j lawrence think home idea to go to ecb and put marks down and give umpires the right to inflict a punishment if batter marks down the wicket or even a line down the whole length of wicket for middle stump like tv do for decisions
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Carts
Posted 4 Jun 2010
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I think that batsmen should be allowed to take a single mark only on middle - ignore leg, 2, 4 and off etc. Batsmen should be able to know where to stand by knowing where middle is.

If a batsmen does any more damage than that then every time the umpire should give 5 penalty runs to the current bowling team - this is coming from a qualified umpire, player and a groundsman for a village club.

What do you think to this?
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Philmort
Posted 4 Jun 2010
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Seems difficult to argue with this - but I bet I know someone who will !!!
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Garry Fielding
Posted 5 Jun 2010
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Good idea harry especially coming from someone like you think you should put it forward to ECB through your umpire governing body
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barry glynn
Posted 5 Jun 2010
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

Under 17 oppo batman during the week actually scratched a mark a metre down the track on line of middle. And how can you stop idiot bowlers consistently gauging lumps out of outfield even when you leave markers by the stumps for them to use? Worst offenders are colts who have no idea where they should be running up from and often scratch out holes withing a foot of each other. Tried speaking to coaches but to no avail.
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jlawrence
Posted 5 Jun 2010
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Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

I have a cure for that Barry. I like putting my juniors on grass tracks where ever possible - excessively damage the outfield/wicket (and I'll be the judge of what is excessive) and you'll be on artificial for the rest of the season. Amazing how the other managers pay attention then.
My simple cure for the U11 side I run is simple - do as I tell you or you won't be picked. Not that my 8/9yr olds are capable of making too much damage.
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jontaylor
Posted 5 Jun 2010
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Today I had an oppo fielder scratch his position twice on a length on the pitch under prep for Lincs v Lancs U13 next weekend.
I suspect the same youf was the lad who gouged a half metre curly trench as his guard. What's the point of a half meter line if it ain't even close to straight???
Good bat, great fielder. Total coin flipper from a groundsman's pov.
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Mal
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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I know I'm not a cricketer but I do love the challenge that producing a good cricket wicket brings but I would have thought that a good batsman would gain a good sixth sense of where the centre stump is. After some games I have noticed though it seems rare, a dent the width of the bat which is the batsman ensuring that he has something to lean his bat up against -I suppose? But thats it, no long scrapes or anything I assume the team are coached well. In just the same way that a fielder surely has a set of eyes and must know where abouts he's standing in the field of play relative to a boundary marker, sight screen, wicket, square etc.
It happens in other sports too so don't dispare. despite the penalty spot, centre spot and the goal at the other end of a football pitch a goal keeper may still insist on gouging out a line on the goal box infront of the penalty spot. But I suppose that people sense of direction just isn't what it used to be.
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barry glynn
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

Give me strength! Turned up yesterday morning to find that the under 12s coach had played his match on saturdays league track on Friday evening! This inspite of me telling him that the under 12s and 13s always play on the same track on the far side of the square. I even spoke to him saying could he put his own stumps up, I normally do this,"No problem" he said, I reminded him where his track was which is 21 yards.

Apart from anything else you would have thought he might have noticed it was too long!
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andy dixon
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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I had wales v dorset under 13s play on tuesday. First i knew of it was when a van full of welsh kids turned up an hour before the start time. Had to brush off, cut, roll, measure a 21 yard out, turn sight screens around (previous game had been a white ball game), move the boundary and remove the 30 yd discs. Just got done! Next year i'm doing the fixtures myself again!
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andy dixon
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Oh, and they scratched three lines out behind the stumps
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EDDIE G
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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what's wrong with making your mark with your bat. I played for 30 years and took what ever guard I wanted and marked it with my bat. Hopefully after a time at the crease I didn't need to know where my mark was. What ever pro coach or pro cricketer started this trend I would like to know there theory behind it. Now after sweeping Saturdays wicket I find I have a batsman's marks(holes). 2 lines behind off stump and 2 behind leg stump that the wicket keeper put there and at both ends lines in front of were the bowlers feet land. Who the hell put them there. Where will it stop? I had to play a under 14s game on the arty last week,I paint leg and middle marks and what do you think happened? yes they tried to make there mark with there boots. I know I can fill the holes in but I find it is getting silly. Come on coaches tell us why.
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Barry Big Shot
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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Sorry but I find this whole thread remarkable. The responsibility of the groundsman is to produce a surface for the players to play on.
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olaf
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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I'm with you Vic on this, We make the pitch, they play on it then we mend it afterwards, its our job.
as long as the ends provide a safe footing thats all that matters, don't matter about scratch marks or holes as long as it is safe.
By day four the ends look like a land mine has gone off on them anyway.
then it gets repaired.
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eddyinfreehold
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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Personally I don't care about guard scratch marks, the fashions change ( Graeme Thorpe with the meaningless diagonal spike mark, Chanderpaul with the bail dent, Trott with the mad furrow etc.). In terms of wicket end repair this is not important, especially in terms of future saddling. Please give me a bowling attack that is all lightweight right arm over all afternoon, and not two RA over and two LA over, one of each happens to be over 35 and exceeding 16 stone. THEN you have a lot of repairing to do. :-)
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EDDIE G
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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Vic I know you are a full time groundsman Olaf and eddy I don't no. But so of use have a limited time to get the pitch ready for the next game. I except bowlers run ups as that's you have to put up with. But for batsman to scratch a mark after every ball till you have a furrow 3" deep I fell is excessive. I take pride in my wickets and if I had the time that you lads have I might not be so bothered.
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jontaylor
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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Guys, it's not justified markings that wind me up, it's the increasing vandalism perpetrated by players.
Yes, the groundsman's job is to repair and prepare - but increasingly what we have to repair has nothing to do with the game or the players' performance. Player vandalism of surfaces is becoming rife.
So far this season I've now had three mathces with fielders scratching their position marks on the square - similar to bowler's marks. Three occasions, three different teams. Are you saying that that is acceptable and just my job to repare??
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Chris Thornton
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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He not busy being born is busy dying!!

Don't mind repairing any sort of marks behind the 5 ft lines.
But what I would like to know is how come the guard scratching can get so deep??
Went in today for a cup game (which we won B T W ) and the seconds had played yesterday, not on a new pitch but one with scratches about half an inch deep. I kid you knot they had got to at least 2 1/2 inch. Why??????
I don't like to leave them during a game, having fielded a lot at point, so I filled both ends and tamped down the loam.
I always put on a 6 inch white line to mark the middle stump but I know I'm pissing in the wind.
It is time to get the law makers to try to put a stop to it.
LOL I here you saying.
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trubs
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As a Full Time Groundsman, I expect to repair any damage after a game, but I do find Batsmans trenches excessive nowadays. Surely if two marks were painted,one for leg and one for middle, a batsman wouldn't need to scratch anything. After all you're not looking at your feet when facing a ball. I reckon it would also be beneficial if the front foot rule was changed to 'all of the foot to be behind the line'. Easier to monitor as a Umpire I would proffer, as the line should be visible for most of the Game.
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barry glynn
Posted 6 Jun 2010
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.


Jon Im with you on this one.Marking fielding positions on the square is inexcusable.
No problem with repairing wear and tear, thats the job, just asking for a bit of understanding and common sense.
Watch out now for kids or adults gauging out their marks every ball like the Trott, the effing nutter, it will happen.
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mario
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Like Trubs, I expect to repair "legitimate" damage after a match. What gets my goat is when umpires do not apply Law 42 allowing players to run through onto the track, in the case of bowlers or batsmen running up the middle of the pitch.

Of course worst of all are the games where the players are umpiring themselves. Do they get a new pitch? Answers on a postcard!!
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Barry Big Shot
Posted 7 Jun 2010
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We all take a pride in our work, and presentation is of course important but if we wanted that end, we would be ornamental gardeners.
The reward comes from watching players of any standard getting enjoyment from the surface we have prepared.
We all like a moan about damage done because it causes us work, but then that's the territory.
Trouble is some groundsmen, whether paid or voluntary have an over inflated view of their position and importance.
My players played through the rain a couple of weeks ago, made a hell of a mess on pitches either side of the one they were on. Were they bothered? No, why should I get upset about it? We come in the next day and clear up.
jt priceless!!!
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EDDIE G
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Exactly you come in the next day and clean up. I have no problem with playing in the wet or most conditions but I get up go to work then go and clean up in time for another game that night. All I am saying is I think what ever the pro's do the amateurs and kid will do.
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Mal
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Vic I am completely behind you in what you are saying about being our job to provide surfaces and as I have said before that is the great enjoyment that I get from being a groundsman. The real issue isn't to do with whether we should just put up with some of these scratch marks that have been described a canyons as part of the job but to do with resources available at some clubs to deal with it. A volunter groundsman at a small club with a small square and little in the way of material buying power would I am sure be looking to maximise the number of games that he can get from a wicket. When he may unexpectadly be faced with having to take a wicket out of play early I am sure he would get a bit grumpy about it. I also think the real question is why do some players need to mark so vigorously and others not. If you provide someone with a bowlers disc for instance why is it some bowlers use it some don't. If I had guests come into my house I would expect them to take off their muddy boots to save me from uneccesary house work and they would certainly not think twice about doing so in any case. I would also expect the same etiquete on the grounds that I manage. I accept that there are some aspects that go hand in hand with a groundsman's duties but I equally do not wish to be a door mat.
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Barry Big Shot
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Mal, I of course agree with all you say. I too get annoyed when someone marks my square, scratches their run despite the marker or the wk thing. My point is however, we the groundsmen provide the surface. The game is about the players, they are the only ones that matter, not us, the umpires, scorers, coaches, spectators. I do believe certain people think the game is all about looking at their pitches and what they can achieve.
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jlawrence
Posted 7 Jun 2010
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Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

I'll repair whatever damage is done to a track. Quite often I hear committee members wingeing about such and such continued playing in the rain and wrecked the track. 9 times out of 10 I'll have that track back playable without any major problems.
I do get confused at some batsmens marks - I simply can't work out how to create a 2 inch deep hole which is actually only about 2 or 3 inches wide, my boots simply can't achieve it. It doesn't bother me, just confuses me. At the end of the day it takes me only a fraction more time to repair a 2 inch hole than it does a half in hole - actually sometimes I think it's a lot easier to repair the deep holes.

My tracks are prepared to be played on, if they play in the rain and it gets trashed I'll fix it, if they gouge bloody great holes I'll fix them. If they play on the wrong track then that'll be the last time they get a grass track :). If a junior team played on a first team saturday track on the friday night I wouldn't have to say a word - the first team skipper would have already done it for me, though I would be questioning why on earth they were playing on a friday evening anyway. Friday is the only day of the week where there are zero games without my express agreement.
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barry glynn
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

Jon
I will copy and paste your last sentence for the colts manager. Ive got a weekend coming up when they have a game friday night and monday. The sh!t will hit the fan when i cancel, or try and cancel the friday stuff cos there is rain about and the cover has to on.
The colts manager thinks he knows better than me and thinks I am being unreasonable when I say friday night games should be a no no.
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Same up here.......

Monday - Under 13's matches and junior training 18.00 - 20.00. (Kwik cricketers 17.00 - 18.00).

Tuesday - Senior training on a pitch on the square with outfield and practice area in use also 18.00 - 20.00.

Wednesday - Under 15's matches and junior training 18.00 - 20.00. (Kwik cricketers 17.00 - 18.00).

Thursday - Tuesday - Senior training on a pitch on the square with outfield and practice area in use also 18.00 - 20.00.

Friday - No practice or match of any description within the boundary rope.

You can copy and paste my last sentence as well, Barry! LOL.
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barry glynn
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

Will do mario, not that it will do any good.
I am going to tell the 1stX1 skipper re the friday night stuff and let him have a word. But what tits me off is that if they play in the rain at all on a Friday and the sat league track suffers, it looks bad on me and I do put in a lot of effort to produce the best I can.
I have tried to make the point that no club playing in the top 20 in the county should have games on a Friday night or day time come to that.
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Mal
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I see what you're angling at now Vic and true to say that we are here to provide surfaces. Nature of the job realy that you would take pride in your work trying to get things looking perfect and you like to think that others appreciate it too. Some do, some don't. Some may subscribe to the fact that it dosen't matter what it looks like so long as it plays right but inherantly what we all strive for is something that is great to play on and great to look at. What we shouldn't loose sight of is priority wise in that order.

Added: We too have a policy the same Jon re:- Friday
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Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

I'm lucky in that I have the backing of my 1st team skipper 100% when it comes to fridays. many times in the past year I'd have the whole square covered on a friday night, 300 tent pegs and a lot of sheets made anyone thinking of complaining think twice.
sat: 1st/2nds & 3rds
sun am: U17's & U11's
sun pm: sunday XI & Ladies
mon:U15 & evening league
tue: U11 training 5.30-7 U13 training 7-8.30 & evening league
wed: girls, U15 training followed by seniors 4 thru until it gets dark
thurs: U13 games & evening legaue + ladies training.
fri: 1st team outfield training, no matches at all.
That pretty much fills up 2 grounds almost every night of the week. I'll let them have fridays as well when hell freezes over :)
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Barry Big Shot
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Friday is one of our most popular nights for colts and surprise surprise Mal, normally the U.17's
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Mal
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I guess you handle it well Vic but to be honest I did inherit the no Friday thing. we do have evening leagues here which is a big thing but the matches are played on the artificials (Not part of the squares) These are played pretty much every evening during the week after 6pm except Wednesdays when the midweek teams play on grass. But then we also have a great deal more going on at the club than cricket that also requires our attention. with grass tennis, bowls, softball, 5 a side football tournaments, 11 a side football and not to mention a host of other corporate events all needing attention, having a clear window for maintenance on the cricket squares on Fridays is a boon sometimes but don't get me wrong - I love it.
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I also say no to Fridays, however, Friday is often the only spare time to get cup games played, so they play. I have even been over ruled and had to accomodate Friday touring teams.
When it suits, i am told that it is my square and my outfield. When it does'nt it is theres.
I tell everyone that the ground belongs to the cricket club and that i am paid to maintain it. They play when they want, but they then suffer the conseqeunces.
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Chris Thornton
Posted 7 Jun 2010
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He not busy being born is busy dying!!

Going back to the scratching by batsmen.
I don't normally bother scarifying and cutting short behind the stumps and now I think I will move 4 ft forward and leave the grass at 6 mm from the just behind the popping crease.
Does anyone do this??? Perhaps the longer grass will discourage them from scratting about so much. We shall see!
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EDDIE G
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I don't think it will work. As I said earlier the under 14s try to do it on the arty.
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jlawrence
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Of course there's no bounce, bend your back and put some bloody effort in.

Chris, leaving it longer can reduce the recovery time for the ends sometimes but I don't think it'll affect the batsmen scratching a mark.
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OLDZIMMER
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Couple of weeks ago, in walks the batsman, asks for guard!
Then starts wacking a mark with his bat!
Hits the ground so hard, his bat handle came off !!! How i laughed?
Then the pillock asked for compensation, cos he said its our fault as ground is too hard!!!!!!!!
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A J
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Always a pleasure bringing on the new seed



Funny... God help the greenkeeper who ends up land filling his divots after a round of golf !!!
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barry glynn
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

Old zimmer
Hope it was a new one!
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jontaylor
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So can I come to your ground and scratch out a ruddy great T to mark my fielding position on a length on your next track under prep Vic?

I think you would not like it very much if I did.

That is becoming common practice up here.
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Garry Fielding
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Well lads looks like i started a debate some really good points and suggestions been made know we are there to prepare and repair wickets i take pride in the work i do this is my first Groundsman job in cricket my clubs players seem to be taking some notice 2nds played on same wicket sat and sun and hardly a mark on middle stump and can use it for 3rds this sat all going well 1sts top of league 2nds in semi of cup just got to get message through to visiting teams
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barry glynn
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

Garry
A bugbear of mine is the unnecessary gauging by bowlers for their mark even when they are given a marker. I never ever once when supplied with a marker found it necessary to do so, in the days when I had a run up I mean!
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Barry Big Shot
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Jon, as I said before, I too get upset when that happens but I then fix it and get on with the next job. Our job is to make the game more enjoyable for the players.
As for vandalism, what do you suggest? Flogging perhaps, court action?
I also used to think I was more important than the players but over the last 4 years have come to learn my place in the scheme. Your club had a groundsman before you and will have another after you, i have bigger fish to fry.
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I think that Vic is making a very valid point here. A groundsmans primary role is to provide a surface that is fit for purpose. I understand and appreciate that it is easy to become upset with such things as this thread has highlighted, but we the groundsmen are a small part in a bigger picture - we get upset when we view such acts of "vandalism", the tea ladies get upset when people leave cups outside, the caretakers get upset when people don't use bins for rubbish etc. Fact is, we are dealing with people, and unfortunately, many people tend to show little respect for things that they have little to no understanding of. I'm not saying that what many of these people do is right, but nor am I saying it is completely wrong, it's just that some people look at things from different perspectives, and getting upset because people see things differently than you, or do things that 'you never done when you were a lad' is only going to end up with one outcome - a miserable groundsman.

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andy dixon
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The only time i ever swore at a player was when he cycled over the square after the game, in the wet, straight through my newly renovated wickets! Bath, i feel sorry for you. I'm fortunate enough to have the final say on who plays when, as well as calling off due to rain except for first-class county and minor county league games. If i didn't, i would be looking for another ground!
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GRG
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I do have the final say or at least get asked about a lot of things Andy, trouble is there are so many games to fit in, especially junior cup games that sometimes we have to use Fridays, but i try very hard to avoid if i can. Sometimes i just cant and have to put up with it, or do as you suggest and find another ground. Only two paid full time groundsman in our premier league i believe.
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Richardb
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in South East Hampshire friday nights are league U15games, so we have to make the best of it, covers or no covers
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jontaylor
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The ciderman rolls

I would hope that some of the plethora of trained coaches who have come in to the game over the last ten years or so would spend a little time explaining to players how to mark their guard effectively and that the coaches would also tell kids how to remember where they are fielding.
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GRG
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Carry on hoping Jon.
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seanmichaels
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I wish I had the square to myself on a Friday!

Wednesday pm - junior games
Thursday pm - u15 practice on square (mobile net or match)
Friday pm - Junior night, both squares used with match on junior and mobile net on senior
Sun am - junior match
Sun pm - sunday fixture

Most of my 'square' work is done on sat am if i'm playing at home. I was there at 7.15am last week. Otherwise i squeeze in the work as and when i can around my daytime job.
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Mike
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Well, the one that gets me is when you have 16 games over the next 7 days, and you find out this morning that another 2 games have been arranged for this afternoon. That knocked all of my plans back for a lot of prep for the upcoming period, so now I have to go in to work tomorrow (as well as sat and sun)... you may think what's wrong with working tomorrow as it's a normal working day, well over here it's a big public holiday, and now i'm going to miss my bbq a bike racing tomorrow because someone decided they wanted to play 2 inter house school games... not impressed!
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barry glynn
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

Mike
I thought public schools were good to work for?
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Mike
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Barry, if only you knew the half of it... you would be shocked. The picture that is painted couldn't be further from the truth.

Can't speak for others public schools, and it wouldn't be right of me to go into the details of the happenings of our place on here, so i'll rise above it and restrain myself from going down that route, but I will say that i'm looking at alternatives, already sent in a few job applications - first opportunity and i'm gone, even to the extent that a career change is looking most likely. I'll leave it at that as the mood i'm in right now, it's probably best that I stay away from a keyboard, or anything I can break!
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GRG
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How ironic, the times i have felt like that. You have my sympathy Mike.
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Barry Big Shot
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Once a muppet.....................

Chin up Mike.
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Mike
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Thank you Gordon & Vic.

Vic - unfortunately not a case of chin up... believe me I wish it were that easy. You are one of the few who are aware of some of the goings on in the past - all I can say is believe it or not, things are getting even worse. Already had one unsuccessful application recently, turned down because of the time I had to take off last year, and the events which led up to it.. wasn't easy to explain that one at an interview! Obviously very disappointing, and doesn't bode well for future applications, but the fact is I won't have my health compromised for work related reasons again.

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Barry Big Shot
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Once a muppet.....................

Good on you Mike, it's a very hard lesson to learn, we dedicate ourselves to giving service to employers who, really couldn't care less.

I learnt the lesson the hard way some years ago and vowed never to let it happen again. There are more important things in life and no matter how hard you try, you will never please everybody, someone will always stick the knife in your back.

Whilst still in place, do your job, keep your nose clean, don't give them an opportunity and take their money. When the time is right something else will turn up and the right employer will see through all the rubbish.

You are young and enthusiastic and a bloody good operative, PMA.

Best regards.

Vic.
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amateur
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I have just read this thread and I found it very interesting.I am the ground manager at my Old Boys club I do not get paid for doing this job.We do have a full time groundsman he has been doing the job for 35 years and I am sorry to say he has lost any love the ground he might have had.So I do alot more work than I should,but I do enjoy the fact that we produce good playing surfaces all year round.
One thing I have done is to put an article in our monthly newsletter up dating members on problems we might be having and also updating them on the state of the ground.I do feel groundsman are sometimes over protective of there pitches,our policy is its your pitch we will prepare it,its up to you if you abuse it
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andy dixon
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Bath, i had a lot of time off sick in my last job (42 days or something in 2 years). It was for a lot of reasons. i.e. wasp sting, 5 days (found out i am allergic, 2 days in hospital), temp dropping a scaffold bar (erecting practise nets) onto my arm from 12 ft high (another 5 days), stress (28yr old girlfriend died suddenly of a hemmorage in her sleep, would you believe my boss would't let me have time off as we weren't married?, even though i was prepared to take it as annual leave). Fortunately another member of staff got personel involved and i got a badly needed week off. Also, being in an office or crew cab full of people all day meant if one person got flu, we all did. I remember one winter when 6 of us out of a crew of 8 were sick with a bug!
Now, i haven't been ill for 2 years. It's just the luck of the draw and circumstances but, i agree, it's not worth risking your health over. Mind you, i can't talk. When things get hectic here i start drinking coffee by the day (to keep myself going) and alcohol at night (to slow myself down again) to excess. I just hope all the excercise works it off!
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mario
Posted 14 Jun 2010
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I know no boundaries.

Pitch Damage.jpg
Came across this photo taken a few seasons back. This was done by the visiting sides overseas amateur on one of the adjacent tracks to the match pitch and on a length.

The cross measures two and a half feet by two feet!!
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mario
Posted 15 Jun 2010
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I know no boundaries.

Not your boys, Paul. Let's just say that it was a club east of the Central Belt whose name does not begin with either W, G or C......
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