Message Board - Machinery: New Holland Tractor
11 Aug 2010 by wicketdevil
Hi just wanted to ask I've got a tnd75 that is six years old and having it's fourth clutch fitted now in this period four different people has driven it so i doubt it's a riding the clutch problem. has anyone else had similar problems i certainly won't be buying another New Holland. Ian
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11 Aug 2010 by Sumomosr Last edited 11 Aug 2010
I'd say it depends on the work it is doing.
Yard work or draughting? Loader fitted?
PTO operated 3-pt implements or trailed mowing for example.?
Heavy trailers?? etc.
Genuine parts fitted at dealer? What do they (dealer) say?
GOGGA
11 Aug 2010 by wicketdevil Last edited 11 Aug 2010
Yes loader fitted with bucket and been moving a lot of soil around. the 2nd clutch only lasted 90 hours and was faulty new holland supplied for nothing but i had to pay to have it fitted which seemed a bit unfair. This time toggs failed and a bearing failed and melted a hole through the clutch. Ian
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11 Aug 2010 by ricam
We are New Holland Groundcare Dealers and have sold a fair few TND/T4000 tractors. Yes we have customers who have burnt clutches out after as little as 300 hrs, others have done over 3000 hrs on same clutch . Usually when a tractor has been driven in the wrong gear on loader work the clutch will have beed "ridden". Have you had chance to view the old clutch's after they have been replaced, if they are blue or purple and smell of rotten fish , i,m afraid you need to blame the driver not the tractor.
Incedentally has the dealer fitted a ceramic clutch as a replacement, two types are available, ceramic recommended for loader work. Also a power shuttle gearbox is recommended for loader work, this way you do not need to use the clutch.
If you do not have a loader fitted depending on what work you are doing I would expect up to 2500 to 3000 hrs on a clutch, with the right operator.
The first two tractors we sold in 199 went to Macclesfield GC they did 3400 hrs on the first clutch (TN65D) and Prestbury Golf Club traded their tractor back in at 4000 hrs (TN75D) on the original clutch.
So if you wish to trade it in when you are ready give me a call.
Richard Campey
11 Aug 2010 by Kevin Leese
I Agree with Richard but ring me first haha
the future bright the futures ORANGE
Kevin
12 Aug 2010 by ticky21
although i 99% agree with Ricam.....i would tend to question the point about shuttle boxes are a must for loader work...we used to run JCB Fastracs, and you HAD to use the clutch to activate the servo for the shuttle...secondly some of the "shuttle " boxes out there are quite ferocious on uptake.....mine included on my Kubota M9540.....out of habit i tend to use the clutch for yard work sometimes, although i dont have a loader fitted......by far the smoothest shuttles on the market are John Deeres......IMO and ive spent many a long day loading bales with JDs and front loaders....and hardly use the clutch.....and Kevin....yep the future is Orange..but not the phone people..theyre crap.......LOL
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12 Aug 2010 by wicketdevil
Sorry nothing to do with the operators, we have changed operators four times over that period and they cant all be doing the same.
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12 Aug 2010 by Neil Dixon
Ian, we run a TN75 for our verti drain, had it since 2006 and no problems re the clutch ( couple of other niggles, nothing serious though) and we were thinking of plopping a loader onto this unit but may have a re think now, given your problems.
12 Aug 2010 by wicketdevil
Neil, I wouldn't have another one in the same time my Massey 342 has had the same clutch and it's ten years older. Looking to get a kabota next. Ian
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12 Aug 2010 by Neil Dixon
We looked at Kubota ( cant remember the model) and had one on demo through Lister Wilder, it was a good tractor but it was massive compared the same sized HP in the New Holland range.
12 Aug 2010 by wicketdevil
True but the size of tractor is not a problem for us. I have looked at masseys and john Deere.
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12 Aug 2010 by ricam
Wicket Devel, If you can please let me know which gear you have the gearbox in when carrying out loader work
The short gear stick below the right hand of your seat should say A or Bl or Bh or C, and again which gear 1 or 2 0r 3 0r 4 with the longer stick on the right also.
Also which gearbox the tractor has either 16x 16 or 28x16 both manual shuttle or 44x20 with dual command and power shuttle.
From this I can then identify which gear you are in etc, and try and help
12 Aug 2010 by ticky21
interesting comment Neil......would be good to know which model you demo,ed......are you referring to physical size, or weight..??....as my M9540 Kubota is slightly smaller in comparison to a 90hp Massey...and exactly the same size as a New Holland T5050...im talking physically again.....my Kubota comes in at 2.9 tonnes.....
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12 Aug 2010 by Sumomosr
Ticky: Richard didn;t say shuttles were a 'must' for loader work - he suggested 'a power shuttle gearbox is recommended for loader work,'
And the Fastrac is configured differently and isn't really spec'd for yard work surely?
Ian, it is posible for 4 operators, if all trained the same and incorrectly, to destroy clutches sequentially.
Loader work is, as I suspected, your issue here. Most poor operators will slip the clutch when hitting the pile and continue with high revs whilst lifting to try and maximise the bucket load.
I would further suggest that your dealer is being very generous with only asking you for the contribution to labour for repeated repairs which seem to be more operational-related than faulty componentry.
GOGGA
12 Aug 2010 by Barry Pace
The laws of Owning Kit..
No. 523. DON'T PUT A LOADER ON A MECHANICAL GEARBOX TRACTOR UNLESS YOU GONNA DRIVE IT YOURSELF...
(Why are most JCBs (the digger type), loading shovels and most dumptrucks that constantly 'shuttle' all hydrostatic type drives)
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13 Aug 2010 by chrismitchell
100% agree with Barry. It is hard to find an operator that does not slip the clutch so he can keep the revs up. A lower gear with higher revs is better than slipping the clutch in a higher one. Ideally for loader work HST is the way forward.
Chris
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13 Aug 2010 by wicketdevil
I may have given you all the idea that this tractor does nothing but loader work. Untill this year it was our main grass cutting tractor and only this summer have we used it with the loader so its only the last clutch that would have been affected. Ian
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13 Aug 2010 by Neil Dixon
Ticky, i am referring to physical size and not neccesarily the weight, i cant recall the model but it was in the 75hp range.
15 Aug 2010 by ticky21
Sum.....ive seen and used a Fastrac 185 with a front loader.....and a JD 6930 with front loader.....both around 180-200hp...so loaders arent limited to groundcare/dairy/stockman tractors.......
Barry........before your rule book was written....how did my dad and grandad manage on all their tractors from the 50s thru to today......??????....when did hydrostatic machines come into the market...and my dad never told me of contantly replacing clutches on MF 35, 135, Ford 3000, 5000, and every other machine that had fore end loaders....AND they had all the farm-estate hands driving them.......
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15 Aug 2010 by Barry Pace
Simon..... cos back then, just like mine, they had proper tractors with simple gearboxes, low ranged and 2 wheel drive so they either didnt burn the clutch, they span the tyres out, stalled it or just went at it right, cos if you didnt you either got the sack or paid for the clutch... and it took a lot longer..... or they used a bristol taurus....
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16 Aug 2010 by ticky21
@ Barry...true very true....but i wasnt threatened with the sack...i was given a swift thick ear...LOL...
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17 Aug 2010 by wicketdevil
Just got the tractor back and the pto will not disingauge so the company are coming back tomorrow i am getting fed up with this. Ian
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18 Aug 2010 by wicketdevil
Just driven the tractor back to the repair shop, lucky it's only 4 miles away. This may not be a new holland fault but more the repair shop. Ian
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18 Aug 2010 by ricam
wicketdevil, Has the tractor been into a New Holland dealer to have the clutch(S) fitted?
I ask this because, as part of their dealership agreements NH dealers have to have factory trained technicians and the necessary specialist tools in order to carry out repairs correctly.
There are various settings that bhave to be checked when fitting new clutch assemblies and tools used.
Have you had a complete assy. fitted or have they just fitted new PTo and traction discs, also for sake of a few pounds new bearings need to be fitted, more so if the clutch has beeb cooked!
18 Aug 2010 by wicketdevil
Yes they are a New Holland dealer and hopefully they have properly trained staff. They say they are very hard pressed i will not be buying from them again. x
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18 Aug 2010 by ticky21
Absolutely Wicket...now go an get yaself an orange one....New Holland went downhill when it took over from good old Ford....
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