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SOS
Posted 24 Nov 2011
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Hi All

As the DPR (default retirement age) has been renewed this year, what's your thoughts on this topic?

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barry glynn
Posted 24 Nov 2011
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

It stinks
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tonybolton
Posted 24 Nov 2011
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Still raining

I agree Barry but I think we need to ask greater mathematicians than us why 65 is no longer 65
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glenkeeran
Posted 25 Nov 2011
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everything happens for a reason



Our genius`s here in Ireland have decided to increase our retirment age to 68, " i am afraid i will be long gone!".....
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fes
Posted 25 Nov 2011
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712 day to go, and counting, and will not be staying a day longer.
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barry glynn
Posted 25 Nov 2011
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

Anyone young fit and healthy with some job skills and a brain, should leave this country.
Be decimated if my two sons emigrated but it's the way to go.
Nothing here for them.
Where do the idiot politicians think we are all going to work in our sixties? There's only so many shelves to fill in Tescos.
I saw this morning the idiot wet dopey deputy prime minister, standing around like a spare dick at a wedding pretending he was interested in their latest hair brained scheme. It's to take kids off benifit for a few weeks to massage the unemployment figures.
Apprenticeships? In what? We don't make anything anymore. Might as well give them lessons in speaking with an Indian or Scottish accent so they can work in a call centre, cos that's the only avenue open to them.

Ah! That's better!
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wicketdevil
Posted 25 Nov 2011
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Can you just is the longest sentence in the world !!!!!!!

Two things Barry my father who ran a building company finally retired this year at 82. His son wont be thats for sure. Also i will be approaching my bosses about getting an apprentice not only do you give a young person a chance but they help us old foggies keep up with whats new in our industry. Ian
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Tumbleweed
Posted 25 Nov 2011
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Smack my pitch up

712 days to go love it fes, are you narking the days of with a bit if chalk?

I wonder how many people ended up like my father, he was I believe according to an old Bigga article we had framed in our house, the youngest Head Greenkeeper in Scotland his pension was basicly made worthless in the 90s and now he'll have to keep going for at least another 10 years

It's like the hotel California, you can check in but you never check out !
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fes
Posted 25 Nov 2011 Last edited: 25 Nov 2011
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Hi Tumbleweed,
No need to mark it with chalk firmly in my brain, already marked date in calendar when to give notice, only 644 days till that hopefully, then three months till the big day.
So will not have hassle of the turning the area from summer sport to winter games.

Had 14 days of sick since started work a long time ago.

Luckily have excellent pension from when I worked for
ICI/Astra Zeneca, best job ever.

Eldest brother worked in the prison service, 65 in January2012, knew there were redundancies going so applied, told them if he did not get it he would not be going in January got the redundancy finished end of October and now there paying him till March

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Chris Thornton
Posted 25 Nov 2011
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He not busy being born is busy dying!!

What I find very bothersome about default retirement age is not the actual figure, IE 65 or even 70 , it is whether one is physically and mentally capable of working at that age.

I "retired" from The Prison Service at 50 because at that age I was offered early retirement so I grabbed it and went to an Agricultural College to learn a new skill. The poor wage (part time) I then got in Turf Management supplemented my pension and I got by OK and liked the new work. I was lucky. But in hindsight maybe I should have learned Plumbing or some other skill which would have lead to a more lucrative second career because wages in Turf care are generally p#ss poor.

I think I could still do meaningful work as a Cricket Groundsman but my weekends are my time now and wont involve being tied to the shed watching poor Cricket when I could be doing something else.

Both political parties are agreed that the retirement age should rise and it will but they are not in touch with reality (are they ever?). The default age for a Prison Officer is 55 with an option to carry on to 57 1/2 if you want. That age. given the nature of the job , can vouch, is long enough !

For the Establishment to force a Prison Officer to carry on until he/she is 65 0r 66 is an extreme form of criminal negligence because the nature of the job requires a level of fitness not present after 55 or so. Simples!

The same applies to Police, Fire, Nursing, Soldiering and many more which are all special cases, I would suggest!

As for default retirement within this industry i think it is less easy to generalise because some people will want to carry on after the default and others will want to finish on or even before the default. It all depends on a person's health and financial situation.

P S I cannot envisage a doctor dealing with an aging gaoler who has say, arthritis or increasing mental health problems brought on by the increasing stress of being in a job when he/she is physically too old to be in it, signing that gaoler fit for duty. Can you?/ Well no you can't and nor can I so he won't. But, what the establishment are preparing to do is condemn that person to an "early" retirement on medical grounds with a much reduced pension. Fact.

The Establishment has all bases covered.

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fes
Posted 25 Nov 2011 Last edited: 25 Nov 2011
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Chris,
Just for clarification, my brother was in admin, not a prison officer, he would not have the temperament for that job.

fes
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barry glynn
Posted 25 Nov 2011
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What do I do? I just cut the grass.

Maybe I should take up politics. I mean, we suffered years of Blair who feathered his own nest and whose Government turned us into the gateway from the wastelands of the Euro Union and let the City run amok.

Now we have two silver spooned public schoolboys , neither of whom have the faintest idea what the average family is now faced with.

What a choice!
If they think they have a problem now, wait until the proverbial really hits the fan in a few years when 75 year olds are dropping like flies trying to work but perhaps thats their master plan, euthanasia by working us to death.
And before anyone says "hard work never killed anyone" , oh yes it does and has done in the past but we thought we had left the serf days behind us.

Ian, apprenticeships are one thing but are still imo, cheap labour but soppy mickey mouse 6 week training schemes with no job at the end of it, are a waste of time.
They produced "quantative easing" to give money to banks, why not print some more and give it to companies to provide jobs, could it make things any worse?
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